If there is a second referendum ...

phillw

andrewf75 wrote: »

pointless, as the process of leaving and realigning the economy will take much longer than 6 years.

I think the figure thrown around by leave supporting MPs is that it will be 50 years before the economy recovers to pre referendum levels.

I don't see why we would need to wait that long to rejoin.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

I know the answer.
I think with your speculation you’re being a tad disingenuous.
You know why MP’s are reluctant to call a second referendum, but you can’t say it, can you?

Come on, spill the beans. Why?

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Come on, spill the beans. Why?

It’s because they’re absolutely scared witless.

Moby

andrewf75 wrote: »

its worse than being a member from a remain point of view of course, but I don't buy the idea that its the worst of all worlds.

It gets us out of the political project - surely the main thing for leavers. Whether we can do our own trade deals makes no difference to the majority of people

Lets be honest we didn't make the most of our position as a member anyway. I think a Swiss style relationship is our natural place in Europe. We want the benefits of membership, but like the idea of being separate.

.... but we'll be complying with EU legislation/standards with no influence or voting rights, while paying for what we now get for free? We are not signed up for the EU political projects direction now! Plus we already have a number of opt outs in relation to the eurozone, budget rebate, schengen, justice legislation, human rights liabilities.....

MobileSaver

Tromking wrote: »

I know the answer. You know why MP’s are reluctant to call a second referendum, but you can’t say it, can you?

No I don't so please don't be coy and enlighten us all?

ben501 wrote: »

You need a better search engine

I meant that particular page (not the entire site!) that you linked to which you inferred defined democracy...

MobileSaver

Tromking wrote: »

It’s because they’re absolutely scared witless.

Now you've completely lost me! What does this (whether true or not) have to do with whether another vote makes a mockery of democracy or not?!?!

andrewf75

Moby wrote: »

.... but we'll be complying with EU legislation/standards with no influence or voting rights, while paying for what we now get for free? We are not signed up for the EU political projects direction now! Plus we already have a number of opt outs in relation to the eurozone, budget rebate, schengen, justice legislation, human rights liabilities.....

still better than the alternatives IMO

David_Evans

Tromking wrote: »

It’s because they’re absolutely scared witless.

The irony being that wealthy MPs (and their friends in the media etc) are the most likely to have hedged their investments against a fall in Sterling.

Unless you mean that some of the large businesses are going to stop funding the politicians...?

The big business leaders are stuck between Tory instability and pro-worker Labour.
The difference is they only fund the first.

If I was given that choice, I'd just keep my money and build my factory in Poland.

David_Evans

phillw wrote: »

I think the figure thrown around by leave supporting MPs is that it will be 50 years before the economy recovers to pre referendum levels.

I don't see why we would need to wait that long to rejoin.

I don't think the 'UK Economy' will ever 'recover'.
There's a slow, but gradual shift of power and money East, towards Russia and China.

Sterling has been in decline since WW1 - which was probably the end of the British Empire.
Once you take the silver out of your coinage, the direction is downhill.

The Romans learnt that and now the USA is slowly too.

Tromking

MobileSaver wrote: »

Now you've completely lost me! What does this (whether true or not) have to do with whether another vote makes a mockery of democracy or not?!?!

I think you’re using your fatuous argument about second referendums to obsfuscate.
We have a heavily Remain Parliament, why is talk of a second referendum not front and centre at the moment?
Incidentally if you work that one out it answers your question about whether a second referendum is democratic or not.