If there is a second referendum ...

David_Evans

lisyloo wrote: »

Small sample I know, but everyone I know who wanted to leave, wants to leave more than ever now and hasn't seen anything to change their mind. They don't appear to be worried about any consequences.

John Harris wrote an article in The Guardian a few weeks ago about this.
It basically says that Brexit has become an ideology.
Whatever your personal opinions, I have found that Harris usually has quite a good feeling for what's going on amongst the public (compared to rest of the MSM)

andrewf75

MobileSaver wrote: »

Consequently a second referendum could be used to gain consensus on what type of "Leave" the British people want. Win-win.

In theory this could have been a good idea, but when you start to think what the question might be, it starts to fall apart.

Really, a 2nd vote is just a way of potentially overturning the first one and it seems a large majority think thats wrong

MobileSaver

alewin wrote: »

So, if there did happen to be another referendum and people voted to remain in the EU this time, what happens then. Would that be it, or do we have a third referendum

If enough people have enough interest in the matter and there's a majority in parliament in favour then, yes, of course.

ben501

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you point me to a definition of democracy that mentions the reliance on the outcome being enacted first?

No need for a dictionary. Here's all you need from a couple of Remainers.

The government will implement what you decide.

From a Remain supporter who understands
There will be no second referendum on Brexit – it would be a gross betrayal of our democracy

MobileSaver wrote: »

Unless you haven't read a newspaper or seen the news on TV for the last two and a half years then you will know that the result is being enacted.

It isn't enacted until we leave. Until then the desperate Remainers will no doubt continue trying to overturn the result.

Moby

ben501 wrote: »

No need for a dictionary. Here's all you need from a couple of Remainers.

The government will implement what you decide.

From a Remain supporter who understands
There will be no second referendum on Brexit – it would be a gross betrayal of our democracy




It isn't enacted until we leave. Until then the desperate Remainers will no doubt continue trying to overturn the result.

Be careful what you wish for! Demanding that the democratic mandate of brexit is carried out will result in a bigger loss of sovereignty than if we remained imo. I don't often agree with Boris ....but he is right regarding the Withdrawal Agreement...May's brexit will result in Vassalage for the UK. We are pretty certain now the backstop will remain and we'll be paying for access to the EU and following their common rule book.....with no say regarding it's contents! Is that what you voted for?

alewin

MobileSaver wrote: »

If enough people have enough interest in the matter and there's a majority in parliament in favour then, yes, of course.

That's a no to a second referendum then.

MobileSaver

ben501 wrote: »

No need for a dictionary. Here's all you need from a couple of Remainers.

The government will implement what you decide.

Well, of course, why use a dictionary (that standard, globally recognised, impartial resource that gives the definitions of words) when you can link to a couple of web pages instead...

.. by the way the .gov.uk site doesn't even mention the word democracy! :rotfl:

MobileSaver

alewin wrote: »

That's a no to a second referendum then.

Seems to be at the moment but of course that has no bearing on whether a second referendum is democratic or not...

phillw

Moby wrote: »

I don't often agree with Boris ....but he is right regarding the Withdrawal Agreement...May's brexit will result in Vassalage for the UK. We are pretty certain now the backstop will remain and we'll be paying for access to the EU and following their common rule book.....with no say regarding it's contents! Is that what you voted for?

It depends on your point of view, Boris is great at spinning a good yarn.

Having a vague backstop removes deadlines to negotiations, if negotiations stall then we could re-interpret the backstop to our favour. We'd have been much better off Theresa May had spent her time making sure the backstop was vague enough to allow that, rather than giving into the people like Rees Mogg & Boris who are just spreading fear. Of course it kicks the can down the road rather than giving closure to the angry gammons, but I don't see the point in self harming just to satisfy a minority.

Tromking

MobileSaver wrote: »

You seem to be more interested in second-guessing why a third party does or doesn't do something rather than explaining how asking the people what they want is undemocratic.
Care to answer why?

That’ll be the “third party” who get to decide whether there’s a second referendum or not?
You seem to not want to explain to me why there’s a reluctance among MP’s to vote for a second referendum.
Why is that?