If there is a second referendum ...

Tromking

MobileSaver wrote: »

Regardless, I've never seen a definition of democracy that stipulates you cannot have another vote the very next day if circumstances dictate; this straw man argument that we have to Leave before another vote is just something cooked up by Leavers because they're terrified another vote would not go their way.

I think anyone that thinks this should ask themselves why when considering that our Parliament has healthy Remain bias has the Brexit vote not been ignored in favour of a second vote?
Are the circumstances you talk of not come to the fore yet?
Care to answer?

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

I think anyone that thinks this should ask themselves why when considering that our Parliament has healthy Remain bias has the Brexit vote not been ignored in favour of a second vote?
Are the circumstances you talk of not come to the fore yet?
Care to answer?

Parliament is so evenly split they can't get a majority on anything.

They've spent 2.5 years actively working on brexit to the exclusion of almost anything else. There's no way you can call that ignoring it.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Parliament is so evenly split they can't get a majority on anything.

They've spent 2.5 years actively working on brexit to the exclusion of almost anything else. There's no way you can call that ignoring it.

So whats holding our Remain MP's back from voting for a second referendum?

MobileSaver

Tromking wrote: »

why ... has the Brexit vote not been ignored in favour of a second vote? Care to answer?

I don't think anyone has suggested ignoring the Brexit vote; current wisdom is that after two and a half years of things not being quite the utopia the Leave campaign promised, the British people should be asked whether they still want to leave the EU and, if they do, on what basis do they want to leave.

Any sensible, fair-minded person would think that was quite a reasonable question to put to the people. Not surprisingly many Leave supporters are aghast and foaming at the bit in their hostility towards the outrageous, heinous, undemocratic notion that we should actually consider asking the people what they want to do...

As for why it's not been done well that's obviously something you would have to ask the politicians about.

adindas

Tromking wrote: »

I think anyone that thinks this should ask themselves why when considering that our Parliament has healthy Remain bias has the Brexit vote not been ignored in favour of a second vote?
Are the circumstances you talk of not come to the fore yet?
Care to answer?

What we already know for sure is the parliament is overwhelmingly in favour of triggering article 50 (brexit) based on the parliamentary voting.

Anything else is just hypothesis prediction which have been proven many got it wrong in the past.

Tromking

MobileSaver wrote: »

As for why it's not been done well that's obviously something you would have to ask the politicians about.

Of course.
Care to speculate as to why?

lisyloo

current wisdom is that after two and a half years of things not being quite the utopia the Leave campaign promised, the British people should be asked whether they still want to leave the EU

Small sample I know, but everyone I know who wanted to leave, wants to leave more than ever now and hasn't seen anything to change their mind. They don't appear to be worried about any consequences.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/feb/07/brexit-latest-news-developments-theresa-may-brussels-talks-corbyn-faces-backlash-from-labour-pro-europeans-after-sending-brexit-plan-to-pm-politics-live#comments
Looks like there is no way the backstop is going to be removed?....so no changes will take place to the Withdrawal Agreement but there may be scope to enhance the Political Declaration....seems more and more like a soft brexit to me.....especially with Corbyn laying out his five points!

MobileSaver

Tromking wrote: »

Of course.
Care to speculate as to why?

You seem to be more interested in second-guessing why a third party does or doesn't do something rather than explaining how asking the people what they want is undemocratic.

Care to answer why?

lisyloo wrote: »

Small sample I know, but everyone I know who wanted to leave, wants to leave more than ever now and hasn't seen anything to change their mind.

A number of posters on MSE have said the same thing which makes it even more surprising that others here are so vehemently against the idea of another referendum.

I'd be surprised if everyone you know has exactly the same expectation of what "leaving" means. Consequently a second referendum could be used to gain consensus on what type of "Leave" the British people want. Win-win.

alewin

MobileSaver wrote: »

The public exercising their power by voting is the very definition of Democracy. To say another vote would make a mockery of democracy is perverse to the extreme; the irony, of course, is that it's the Leavers who are dead-set against another vote who are really making a mockery of democracy

So, if there did happen to be another referendum and people voted to remain in the EU this time, what happens then. Would that be it, or do we have a third referendum to make it best out of three?

Why not a fourth or a fifth.