If there is a second referendum ...

phillw

David_Evans wrote: »

Sterling has been in decline since WW1 - which was probably the end of the British Empire.

I personally agree, IMO the EU was our way of slowing down the decline.

Tromking wrote: »

Incidentally if work that one out it answers your question about whether a second referendum is democratic or not.

A second referendum is democratic. They would be saying "we messed up, we've got these two options and would like you to pick between them.".

The problem is that the leave side are so scared they'd lose that they've sold a second referendum as a betrayal. So the only thing that can save us from parliaments handling of brexit is poisoned.

Throw in the backstop being a betrayal as well and MPs are no longer able to make rational decisions because of the fear generated by leave.

I find it strange that leavers aren't demanding a second referendum, because it looks right now like government and parliament aren't going to deliver what they want.

ukcarper

lisyloo wrote: »

Small sample I know, but everyone I know who wanted to leave, wants to leave more than ever now and hasn't seen anything to change their mind. They don't appear to be worried about any consequences.

I have to agree everybody I know who voted leave hasn't changed thier mind I voted remain and am not sure how I would vote.

David_Aston

Good grief ukcarper, are those brexiters twisting your arms or something?
Or did you only vote to remain first time on the toss of a coin?

ukcarper

David_Aston wrote: »

Good grief ukcarper, are those brexiters twisting your arms or something?
Or did you only vote to remain first time on the toss of a coin?

No but I don't believe we can go back to as things were, OK legally we can reverse article 50 but I think it's naive to believe that we can just turn back the clock.

David_Evans

ukcarper wrote: »

I have to agree everybody I know who voted leave hasn't changed thier mind I voted remain and am not sure how I would vote.

Unless the vote is unbelievably close, it's VERY, VERY unlikely that your vote will make any difference.

The main difference to you will be sensible hedging and consideration of how it may affect your investments etc.

Basically, stay out of Sterling if possible.

David_Evans

ukcarper wrote: »

No but I don't believe we can go back to as things were, OK legally we can reverse article 50 but I think it's naive to believe that we can just turn back the clock.

Interesting.
I hear a lot of people using this term ''we''.
Obviously they are referring to ''we'' as in 'the British people''.
But it's not really true because it's the govt that make these decisions.
There is no ''we''.
You can only act to mitigate what their actions do to you.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

No but I don't believe we can go back to as things were, OK legally we can reverse article 50 but I think it's naive to believe that we can just turn back the clock.

You're right, we can't just turn back the clock as there are no time machines available.

The EU would let us reverse article 50. The problem is selling it to the leavers. All the time Boris and Rees Mogg have personal agendas, then that is unlikely to be allowed to happen.

I would introduce mandatory voting and have a referendum longer than a day, to make sure everyone got to have their vote. Not everyone registered voted last time and we've had another 2 years of people gaining the right to vote. It's such an important decision, I would probably even lower the voting age.

I don't want to live out my life listening to the leave voters moaning about how they weren't warned what would happen if we left, I want to make sure everyone knows and takes responsibility.

RyanEzio

phillw wrote: »

You're right, we can't just turn back the clock as there are no time machines available.

The EU would let us reverse article 50. The problem is selling it to the leavers. All the time Boris and Rees Mogg have personal agendas, then that is unlikely to be allowed to happen.

I would introduce mandatory voting and have a referendum longer than a day, to make sure everyone got to have their vote. Not everyone registered voted last time and we've had another 2 years of people gaining the right to vote. It's such an important decision, I would probably even lower the voting age.

I don't want to live out my life listening to the leave voters moaning about how they weren't warned what would happen if we left, I want to make sure everyone knows and takes responsibility.

What would extending A50 actually achieve? The leaving date is now set. Businesses are preparing, ports are prepared... it would just cause more uncertainty.



We've heard it all before though. Guaranteed March 30th.. nothing will change. It'll be business as normal..People will still do their saturday morning shopping, go to the football match, go to the gym, etc. The usual stuff people do on a saturday morning.

I really don't think the normal working pleb who struggles to make ends meet is too bothered if the £ is down 10% .If supermarkets raise their prices, they'll just shop somewhere else. People are making a big fuss out of nothing. I wish the news would stop going on about it.


Homelessness is a much, much bigger issue than this brexit.

POPPYOSCAR

RyanEzio wrote: »

What would extending A50 actually achieve? The leaving date is now set. Businesses are preparing, ports are prepared... it would just cause more uncertainty.



We've heard it all before though. Guaranteed March 30th.. nothing will change. It'll be business as normal..People will still do their saturday morning shopping, go to the football match, go to the gym, etc. The usual stuff people do on a saturday morning.

I really don't think the normal working pleb who struggles to make ends meet is too bothered if the £ is down 10% .If supermarkets raise their prices, they'll just shop somewhere else. People are making a big fuss out of nothing. I wish the news would stop going on about it.


Homelessness is a much, much bigger issue than this brexit.

Together with children being stabbed on our streets at an increasingly alarming rate.

MobileSaver

ukcarper wrote: »

No but I don't believe we can go back to as things were, OK legally we can reverse article 50 but I think it's naive to believe that we can just turn back the clock.

Do you mean things here at home in the UK or our relationship with the EU couldn't go back to as it was? My understanding was if we revoked Article 50 then everything to do with the EU would be exactly as it used to be; we'd simply keep the same benefits, liabilities, rules and regulations as always, literally nothing would change.

phillw wrote: »

The EU would let us reverse article 50.

The European Court of Justice said we could revoke Article 50 unilaterally so the EU wouldn't have any say in the matter?

phillw wrote: »

The problem is selling it to the leavers.

Just make up enough fake news extolling the benefits of staying in the EU and it'll be fine; in particular get a load of videos on YouTube, the more outrageous and scandalous the better, and those Leavers will lap it up! :rotfl: