If there is a second referendum ...

scaredofdebt

adindas wrote: »

Well two remoaners far from sufficient. Please do not twist my initial idea/ as my initial proposal is all remoaners to pay for the EU membership for the country. If all of you are happy to pay for that than tell your MPs. organise campaign and declare your intention, etc

Democracy is priceless, no money could buy ...

Why should I pay for the Brexiteers decision to leave?

Answer my question about the EU "punishing" us.

Takedap

Herzlos wrote: »

The people moaning about civil unrest should Brexit be overturned are the same ones that don't want Brexit overturned. I agree that there will likely be more civil unrest if Brexit happens - when all those people who voted to become better off discover that they aren't.

The problem is that it's already too late. The Genie is out of the bottle. If we go back now, the Remainers will always insist that we would have been better off if we had left. And the EU would know that they do not need to keep giving us special treatment, ie, no single currency, no payment rebates etc.


While I believe that a second referendum would be even more divisive, I will make a point about the first one. And that is that it should never have been called.


Asking "the people" about such a complex situation & trying to reduce it to a binary decision was madness.


When everyone has a direct vote, then by definition, the average voter is just that. Average.


This mathematical fact is borne out by the result. Almost 50/50. Again average.


Did we really want our future prosperity being risked by this?


I personally want my politicians, my business leaders and, yes, my experts to be better than average. I expect them to be (mostly) drawn from the above average end of the spectrum.


I wouldn't expect the average person to be able to make meaningful decisions about how to do my job. Why then would we expect it about something as important as this?



We all know that blokes sit in pubs discussing the best way to put the world to rights. But there's a good reason why we don't let them have a go at it.


Unfortunately, the only answer now is to let it go ahead & to accept the consequences.

adindas

scaredofdebt wrote: »

Why should I pay for the Brexiteers decision to leave?

Answer my question about the EU "punishing" us.

Simple because it is the nation decision, a democratic result of referendum.

The consequences have been put forward during the campaign including scaremongering, not just from the UK but from US president, IMF result: people have voted to leave.

Also it has been ratified in the parliament. You want a second referendum, you will need to pay for it.

mayonnaise

adindas wrote: »

Simple because it is the nation decision, a democratic result of referendum.

The consequences have been put forward during the campaign including scaremongering, not just from the UK but from US president, IMF result: people have voted to leave.

Also it has been ratified in the parliament. You want a second referendum, you will need to pay for it.

I'd rather not have a referendum and that Treeza got on with delivering the BINO that the 2016 referendum (non-binding, advisory only) mandates.

Enterprise_1701C

mayonnaise wrote: »

I'd rather not have a referendum and that Treeza got on with delivering the BINO that the 2016 referendum (non-binding, advisory only) mandates.

The referendum was binding because they said they would do as the people asked.

mayonnaise

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The referendum was binding because they said they would do as the people asked.

'They said' ? :rotfl:

Since when are politicians' promises legally binding? They'd all be in court if that was the case.

adindas

mayonnaise wrote: »

'They said' ? :rotfl:

Since when are politicians' promises legally binding? They'd all be in court if that was the case.

While referendum is advisory, what is higher than referendum in a democratic nation ?

Also what about voting in the parliament of triggering article 50 are they not legally binding ?? Keep in mind it is a clear majority ....

lisyloo

adindas wrote: »

What about voting in the parliament of triggering article 50 are they not legally binding ??

In the sense that it could be revoked - no.

mayonnaise

adindas wrote: »

While referendum is advisory, what is higher than referendum in a democratic nation ?

In a parliamentary democracy, it would be Parliament.
Anything else you'd like to know?

PhilE

Civil unrest needs an economic crash to fuel it.

There is a possibility of an economic crash. Whether you want to leave the EU trade deal or remain, that can't be denied.

A second vote is a possibility, but the road from here to there is a complex one. It may not happen.