If there is a second referendum ...

Matt_L

badmemory wrote: »

I find it interesting that people only seem to think there will be civil unrest if under 52% don't get there way, but there will be none if over 48% don't get their way. How much civil unrest do you think there will be from remainers when the jobs all go to Europe & their houses land up in negative equity again. And from the leavers when the price of imported milk goes up by 30% the WTO tariff & the tories go back to austerity & stop the tax credits etc.


How she can say that not doing what the leavers want will destroy social cohesion, when it has already been destroyed, talk about naive. The 70s were bad enough but now everyone is so much more violent than they were I am really not looking forward to the next few years.

Unsurprisingly most remainers accept the result of the 2016 referendum and acknowledge we are leaving, (except a handful here). So the chances of civil unrest from remainers is zilch, most people aren't bad losers...

As for the rest of your post, well its just pure nonsense imo, sorry to say...

Arklight

Matt_L wrote: »

Unsurprisingly most remainers accept the result of the 2016 referendum and acknowledge we are leaving, (except a handful here). So the chances of civil unrest from remainers is zilch, most people aren't bad losers...

As for the rest of your post, well its just pure nonsense imo, sorry to say...

I accept we are leaving, I won't accept leaving at any cost. Statistically, Leave supporters are elderly, not well educated, and / or unemployed.

Remain voters are younger, likely to be educated at least to FE level and are net contributors. A government that inflicts the economic misery of no-deal Brexit on this group does so at its peril.

buglawton

Ah right, this country's direction should be decided according to the social grade of the referendum voters, not by their numbers. Well at least we know where you stand, Arkie.

BobQ

buglawton wrote: »

Ah right, this country's direction should be decided according to the social grade of the referendum voters, not by their numbers. Well at least we know where you stand, Arkie.

He never said that, but it is true that statistically the older you are the more likely you voted for Leave. Equally it is true that many who voted leave are dead and many who would probably vote remain could not vote in 2016.

Whether that would change the vote now nobody knows. But we can see the impact of leaving is becoming more serious than most people realized.

Firms are leaving, jobs are going, tax revenue will fall, we will all be worse off.

Herzlos

adindas wrote: »

With organisation such as EU everything could happen. How could you be so sure they do not twist the law knowing that you are so desperate ???

Which organisation punish their members for leaving. Well there are only a handful of them, ISIS, criminal gang such as those originated from italy.



Where did you get the EUR 9 per year from? Try to mislead people or something to do with math ?

UK was paying about £ 19bil pa (net contribution about £9 bil) divide that with the UK population of 66 mil. It is £287 pa nowhere near the figure you have quoted. Happy to pay that.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

If only the remoaners pay the country membership fee, it will be multiple of £287. Keep in mind it is only the remoaners adult paying tax who are eligible to vote will get involved in paying for the whole country EU membership. Also knowing that UK is so desperate there is no reason not to put condition of taking out the rebate the Uk is currently getting.

Also what is the cost of democracy that have been taken out from leavers. If you do not know I will spell it out. It is priceless. No money could buy.

Sorry, I thought you said it was EUR9 each on the previous page.
But why should the remainers pay whilst we all get the benefit?

In what way is the EU punishing us?

LHW99

Statistically, Leave supporters are elderly, not well educated, and / or unemployed.

I am sure this has been discussed before either here or on one of the similar threads.
Older voters had less chance of FE compared to younger voters
Older voters have more life experience than younger voters
As for unemployed - you would be talking here of the 50-65 age group? Most of those would be horrified to be regarded as "elderly", those who could be regarded as elderly are most probably pensioners, so not unemployed - and may never have been.

scaredofdebt

adindas wrote: »

With organisation such as EU everything could happen. How could you be so sure they do not twist the law knowing that you are so desperate ???

Which organisation punish their members for leaving. Well there are only a handful of them, ISIS, criminal gang such as those originated from italy.

How is the EU punishing the UK?

adindas wrote: »

UK was paying about £ 19bil pa (net contribution about £9 bil) divide that with the UK population of 66 mil. It is £287 pa nowhere near the figure you have quoted. Happy to pay that.

Personally more than happy, I am considerably worse off than that since the referendum, hopefully it won't get even worse after we do leave, if we do.

Are Brexiteers happy to cover the costs of any economic damage to the UK post-Brexit?

mayonnaise

adindas wrote: »

UK was paying about £ 19bil pa (net contribution about £9 bil) divide that with the UK population of 66 mil. It is £287 pa nowhere near the figure you have quoted. Happy to pay that.

Of course happy to pay that.
EU membership has a net benefit to the UK in the region of £62bn-£78bn a year.
http://www.cbi.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/our-global-future/factsheets/factsheet-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/

£9bn for unfettered access to the most prosperous economic union in the world. Half a billion customers. A GDP $20 trillion market. It's an excellent deal.

adindas

scaredofdebt wrote: »

How is the EU punishing the UK?

Personally more than happy, I am considerably worse off than that since the referendum, hopefully it won't get even worse after we do leave, if we do.

Are Brexiteers happy to cover the costs of any economic damage to the UK post-Brexit?

mayonnaise wrote: »

Of course happy to pay that.
EU membership has a net benefit to the UK in the region of £62bn-£78bn a year.
http://www.cbi.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/our-global-future/factsheets/factsheet-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/

£9bn for unfettered access to the most prosperous economic union in the world. Half a billion customers. A GDP $20 trillion market. It's an excellent deal.

Well two remoaners far from sufficient. Please do not twist my initial idea/ as my initial proposal is all remoaners to pay for the EU membership for the country. If all of you are happy to pay for that than tell your MPs. organise campaign and declare your intention, etc

Democracy is priceless, no money could buy ...

Herzlos

LHW99 wrote: »

I am sure this has been discussed before either here or on one of the similar threads.
Older voters had less chance of FE compared to younger voters
Older voters have more life experience than younger voters
As for unemployed - you would be talking here of the 50-65 age group? Most of those would be horrified to be regarded as "elderly", those who could be regarded as elderly are most probably pensioners, so not unemployed - and may never have been.

Indeed. Older voters left school earlier and didn't have access to the same education. That doesn't mean they are stupid, but are "less educated". They may have more life experience, which may or may not have included exposure to foreigners, and may or may not have left them more bitter.


No-one is right or wrong based on age, noones view has more weight (though you could argue that the over 65s, the only group to have a majority for Leave, are going to be far more insulated from Brexit than anyone else).



Generally, it seems the more exposure people have to foreigners, the more likely they were to vote Remain.