If there is a second referendum ...

StevieJ

Herzlos wrote: »

Weird, I'd seen polling results that say different. I thought it was yougov but they have a different banding and have age 50+ as leaving
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

As they say, lies, damn lies and statistics.

I love that breakdown. 5% of Ukippers voted to Remain :T

LHW99

All groups over 45 had a majority to Remain? Not sure about that.

I love that breakdown. 5% of Ukippers voted to Remain

It says more about the survey groups - my voting paper certainly didn't ask me to add my date of birth!

Thrugelmir

AlanP wrote: »

The present government promising an extra 20bn is not related or relevant to the point being made.

One thing to promise. Another to fund. The devil is in the yet to be released detail. Where's the tax going to raised from?

cogito

PhilE wrote: »

Yes mate, the EU are having a crash. Look, Mercedes just went bankrupt. And the East Europeans got deported. And the NHS has been saved. Britain is pure Anglo Saxon again. The Empire has risen. England wins the world cup.

This is the mental landscape of a Brexiter. Completely in la la land. Laughing stock of the civilized world.

Except Moe didn’t say any of that. You have got a fevered imagination.

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

One thing to promise. Another to fund. The devil is in the yet to be released detail. Where's the tax going to raised from?

PFI to Virgin and a tranche of appalling American health companies. The Tories voted against the establishment of the NHS and they are determined to dismantle it now. At a profit (for their backers) of course.

BobQ

J_Nostin wrote: »

Yes it was!

It has been all over the news in the not too distant past you know. The Spectator said: "£350 million for the NHS: How the Brexit bus pledge is coming true" and the BBC headlines were: "NHS funding: Theresa May unveils £20bn boost".
Grumble and whinge all you like but the fact is that the extra funding (as seen on the side of a red bus) has now been promised.
:T
Why and how I care not a bit. It has been promised. You might as well try to argue that grass isn't green as argue that the funding promise was untrue.

Health care funding tends to rise with inflation in any case. But what has been promised is £350m in 2023/24. This is not £350m a been when we (you hope Brexit in 2019). Between now and then it will rise as it usually does. Its not £350m this coming year!

As for "advisory", the PM then very clearly said that this once-in-a-lifetime vote would be honoured AND our MP's agreed with 498 out of 612 voting to honour the vote by implementing Article 50.
So you are one of a very small minority that objects, thankfully mostly only in places like this where your real impact is close to zero.

The PM said all sorts of things. Fact is the referendum was held by an Act of Parliament and that stated in was advisory.

Abuse is normal when you run out of arguments. I am objecting to nothing, just pointing out that you claims are false.

buglawton

In this highly pro-remain Referendum document published by HM Govt:

Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK
The EU referendum, Thursday, 23rd June 2016
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf#page=14

We see this statement:
This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.

This is what is called politically binding.

Now, the last time I checked politicians make the law and law doesn't make political decisions.
So there we have it.

BobQ

buglawton wrote: »

In this highly pro-remain Referendum document published by HM Govt:

Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK
The EU referendum, Thursday, 23rd June 2016
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf#page=14

We see this statement:
This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.

This is what is called politically binding.

Now, the last time I checked politicians make the law and law doesn't make political decisions.
So there we have it.

So what we have is politically binding but not legally binding

Governments cannot bind future ones. While May may feel obliged to implement the result it is Parliament (which she cannot command a majority in) that needs to implement this promise.

Parliament is doing her job for her. The referendum and her failure to win a 2017 majority suggests that some form of consensus solution is needed. May does not do compromise of course which is the problem.

movilogo

There won't be 2nd referendum until Remainers are 100% certain that Remain would win this time.

BobQ

movilogo wrote: »

There won't be 2nd referendum until Remainers are 100% certain that Remain would win this time.

The PMs deal was not just voted down by Remainers it included some Leavers.

A second vote is a way of resolving what the people want even if that is Brexit without a deal.

Any fool can say Brexit means Brexit. What matters is that the Government has a clear steer on what it means, not that the PM claims it means what she thinks it means.

May has created this mess and is now playing with people's lives, their jobs and their futures.

Had the referendum offered the prospect of Brexit into a permanent Customs Union or an EEA solution, I would probably have voted for it.