If there is a second referendum ...

buglawton

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The very factory in Stoke on Trent that Theresa May made her speech from this morning is thriving, and I'm quite sure the £492,000 in EU funding that it received benefitted it a great deal.

Choosing a factory for her visit, that was a beneficiary of some UK taxpayers money kindly recycled back to us wasn't a coincidence was it? Shame she ignored the rest of Stoke's devastated economy.

Who was fooled by that pro-remain PR stunt? Come on, hands up!

Moby

buglawton wrote: »

Choosing a factory for her visit, that was a beneficiary of some UK taxpayers money kindly recycled back to us wasn't a coincidence was it? Shame she ignored the rest of Stoke's devastated economy.

Who was fooled by that pro-remain PR stunt? Come on, hands up!

Wasn't she standing in front of a load of mugs?

Arklight

buglawton wrote: »

Choosing a factory for her visit, that was a beneficiary of some UK taxpayers money kindly recycled back to us wasn't a coincidence was it? Shame she ignored the rest of Stoke's devastated economy.

Who was fooled by that pro-remain PR stunt? Come on, hands up!

Stoke's economic history settles around pottery, steel and mining. Its economy is devastated because of Thatcher and decades of Tory policy designed to socially engineer unions out of existence by ensuring the people who might join them don't have any work.

Stokes problem ism't the EU, or foreigners, it's the Right.

Takedap

A lot of the Leave vote came from people who were told that they had nothing left to lose & that things could not get any worse for them. They may soon find out the truth.

andrewf75

Arklight wrote: »

Stoke's economic history settles around pottery, steel and mining. Its economy is devastated because of Thatcher and decades of Tory policy designed to socially engineer unions out of existence by ensuring the people who might join them don't have any work.

Stokes problem ism't the EU, or foreigners, it's the Right.

Hard to argue with that. I'm not much of a fan of Corbyn, but for the people in places like Stoke his ideas seem like much more of a solution than Brexit. The trouble is of course the "working classes" are put off Labour because of their "middle class" liberal values (horrible generalisations but you know what I mean). I think an economically left wing but socially conservative party would be the change people really want in places like Stoke.

Unless we get an economic shift to the left, Brexit isn't going to change anything, in fact places like Stoke will just be even poorer.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'm pretty right of centre economically and as much as I dislike Corbyn and agree he'd be a disaster for the UK economy, Brexit in any flavour other than EEA/CU would be far worse and do more lasting damage than anything Comrade Corbyn could do in 5 years.
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You've also said that you're an Unionist who would consider voting for Scottish Independence Hamish !

Methinks, you're just a player, like most of us.

When people say Brexit will be bad for 'us', the 'us' they are thinking of is their own personal lot.

There is no 'us'. That much is clear. The Remain campaign never ever got that in the referendum, and it doesn't seem like they get it now.

kabayiri

buglawton wrote: »

Choosing a factory for her visit, that was a beneficiary of some UK taxpayers money kindly recycled back to us wasn't a coincidence was it? Shame she ignored the rest of Stoke's devastated economy.

Who was fooled by that pro-remain PR stunt? Come on, hands up!

I wonder how many of us on here have lived in the Stoke region.

I have. It's not really an area to hold up as a bastion of success.

andrewf75

kabayiri wrote: »

When people say Brexit will be bad for 'us', the 'us' they are thinking of is their own personal lot.

For me personally I can honestly say I never consider the impact on my personal circumstances in any of my political views. The party I choose to vote for or my opinion on Brexit is based entirely on my vision of what I think is best for the country as a whole.

I don’t think I stand to lose or gain much either way so maybe its easy for me!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

buglawton wrote: »

Choosing a factory for her visit, that was a beneficiary of some UK taxpayers money kindly recycled back to us wasn't a coincidence was it? Shame she ignored the rest of Stoke's devastated economy.

Stoke on Trent is benefitting from over £150 Million in EU funding during the course of this budget term alone, which when combined with matched funding, comes to a total of £233 Million.

If the fine citizens of Stoke cannot achieve a way to improve their economic situation when presented with almost a quarter of a billion pounds in investment, I'd suggest that is a pretty damning reflection of local Staffordshire politics rather than those of the EU.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

You've also said that you're an Unionist who would consider voting for Scottish Independence Hamish !.

I like Unions.

I firmly believe that Scotland is is better off in the UK, which is better off in the EU.

But if forced to choose just one Union, I'll take the Worlds largest and most successful single market, the EU, rather than an increasingly isolated and irrelevant Brexit Britain.