Kleeneze

EthanM

sarahriches1983 wrote: »

1.What they dont tell you is that you then have to sign up to their MLM messenging service with is a load of bull and MANDATORY (i cancelled the direct debit - Sarah 1 - Kleeneze 0)


2.Im desperate for money and these W*NK*RS have taken money from me without telling me the whole truth.


3.YES, you can buy Kleeneze products much cheaper elsewhere...In the bloody £ shop!!!!!

My parting comment is..

DONT TOUCH KLEENEZE WITH A BARGE POLE...THEY ARE VULTURES WHO PRAY ON PEOPLE HARD UP FOR CASH AS DISTRIBUTORS AND THE INFIRM AND ELDERLY WITH THEIR PRODUCTS.

I really can't be bothered to deal with such rubbish but very quickly I will take the time to answer 3 of your points.

1. No MLM messaging is not mandatory, We have downline that are not on it for instance.

2. Kleeneze is a self employed business, if you need a job then get one, a self employed business is not for you. In my own non Kleeneze business I spend around £10,000 a year just on advertising, I understand the need for investment because I have a self employed mentality. You have a job mentality and that is fine, just no need to knock a different method because it doesn't suit you.

3. This has been discussed before but seems particularily ironic coming from a Bettaware person. By the way many many people have left Betterware to join Kleeneze and are much happier with them.

Where you do have a point and again this has been raised in this thread, some sponsers are recruiting people without giving all the information, this is clearly wrong and results in people being seriously pi**ed off.

As I have said I don't even work for Kleeneze and am only responding because I don't feel it is right to have so much mis-information but this is taking too much time and my time is precious, suffice to say a lot of the claims being made against Kleeneze are completely false, it's not my job to dispel all this crap so I'm going to pull out of this thread which I'm sure will delight all those with an agenda to lie, exagerate etc in their goal to smear kleeneze. Perhaps like me they should spend a bit more time doing something more positive with their lives. But then some people love nothing better than to continually gripe.

sinderella_2

My twopence worth - as a consumer and not a distributor for kleeneze or any other competitor is that their products are carp and a waste of money. I only bought mine because I felt sorry for the old boy who staggered up the hill with his catalogues. The £5 peg hanger knicker dryer thing has fell to pieces. My Tes*o one was £1 and still going strong. The first dryer thing even had to be sent back due to a manufacturing fault. The dustpan and brush - again 3x the cost of Tes*o and doesn't work properly due to the angle of the edge of it, all the dust goes underneath. The peg board/ letter tray was cheap and nasty when it came. Never again will I waste my money on their rubbish stuff.

sarahriches1983

EthanM wrote: »

I really can't be bothered to deal with such rubbish but very quickly I will take the time to answer 3 of your points.

1. No MLM messaging is not mandatory, We have downline that are not on it for instance.

Then my upline told me a BLANTENT lie...They said the 1st month ofMLM is mandatory and i can cancel after that...once again, do the uplines get comission on this? If not then why was i told that it was mandatory..bearing in mind i have never once joined into one of their BRAINWASHING "confrence" calls

2. Kleeneze is a self employed business, if you need a job then get one, a self employed business is not for you. In my own non Kleeneze business I spend around £10,000 a year just on advertising, I understand the need for investment because I have a self employed mentality. You have a job mentality and that is fine, just no need to knock a different method because it doesn't suit you.

No need to knock it? Yeah, if i could get a job id get one but living in London, with a 2 year old iv worked it out...Daycare and travel will take up ALL of my wages, hence me talking dirty to perverts, ironing and cleaning other peoples toilets to feed my family.

READ MY POST...or if you cant be bothered to scroll up and read it again....iv copied and pasted here:


ok then...iv not done a lengthy post on this thread (mainly due to having a very active nearly 2 year old son running round my feet!) so here goes.

Kleeneze is a blag......the way they earn their money is from the following:

£75 joining up fee

What they dont tell you is that you then have to sign up to their MLM messenging service with is a load of bull and MANDATORY (i cancelled the direct debit - Sarah 1 - Kleeneze 0)

Then you've also got the £7.50 a month charge for the internet ordering system.

Then you have to pay for the goods to be delivered to you unless you place an order above £250.

Then of course everytime all you !!!!!!! books get robbed they take the absolute effing liberty of charging you £30 for another 50 catalogues.


So....(and this is a question mainly directed at Ethan M) who are Kleenze making more money out of? The distributors or the customers?

And before you answer...hear out the rest of my thread...

The 'upline' are nothing but vultures...

After answering an ad on gumtree promising me up to £500 a week i got the whole Kleeneze spiel...you know that BS disk they send out to get people to join up? Yeah well i had a conversation with them...told them basically i didnt have £75 to spare...the whole reason for me being on gumtree was looking for cleaning/ironing jobs to put food in my sons belly but still, plus the fact that id have to borrow the money from someone to join - they had no qualms about taking my £75 off me, not telling me about the hidden costs iv already mentioned OR the fact that to earn any decent money in this "business" you'd have to sign people under you.

I decided as soon as i found out all these details that there was NO EFFING WAY i was gonna be getting anyone else to join this BLAG of a company.
Quite simply because the only way id get people to join is because id be being 'economical with the truth' and because id never do to someone else what the vultures had done to me.

Im desperate for money and these W*NK*RS have taken money from me without telling me the whole truth.

(Just to confirm,iv actually cut my losses with Kleeneze, iv spent out more money than iv earnt and im doing soooo much better with Betterware where iv had no outlaying costs at all, a great team leader and, believe it or not more orders)

In fact...That takes me onto another comment i read earlier.

YES, you can buy Kleeneze products much cheaper elsewhere...In the bloody £ shop!!!!!

My parting comment is..

DONT TOUCH KLEENEZE WITH A BARGE POLE...THEY ARE VULTURES WHO PRAY ON PEOPLE HARD UP FOR CASH AS DISTRIBUTORS AND THE INFIRM AND ELDERLY WITH THEIR PRODUCTS.





3. This has been discussed before but seems particularily ironic coming from a Bettaware person. By the way many many people have left Betterware to join Kleeneze and are much happier with them.

As for leaving Betterware and joining Kleeneze...Sorry dude but other way round for me...Obviously people in my area are in the know (over priced pound shop lame as! products)....after all, iv seen at least 4, yes FOUR other KLEENEZE distributors books left out within 2 streets of me since doing this.

Where you do have a point and again this has been raised in this thread, some sponsers are recruiting people without giving all the information, this is clearly wrong and results in people being seriously pi**ed off.

My point is that people sponsering dont tell the full truth of the costs involved in "building a Kleeneze (scam) business.

As I have said I don't even work for Kleeneze and am only responding because I don't feel it is right to have so much mis-information but this is taking too much time and my time is precious, suffice to say a lot of the claims being made against Kleeneze are completely false, it's not my job to dispel all this crap so I'm going to pull out of this thread which I'm sure will delight all those with an agenda to lie, exagerate etc in their goal to smear kleeneze. Perhaps like me they should spend a bit more time doing something more positive with their lives. But then some people love nothing better than to continually gripe.

No, you dont work for Kleeneze....You OWN YOUR OWN BUSINESS...what a load of carp...

You're braindwashed like the rest of them.

As for misinformation.....Try the misinformation you bloody vultures fed me!

Read highlighted text above to save MSE bandwidth.

And yeah...you pull out of this thread....because you know you're fighting a losing battle because theres 10 people who've been scammed by this company for every one of you vultures who've been willing to go along with the brain washing and sign up people who are hard up/vunerable to get your cash.

Get away! And as my ex would say in Geordieland...Go n boil yer heed!!

brian09tt

Hi Brian,

I think that if you go over my posts in this thread you will see I have tried to be more than fair, and my "pops" are a response to a continual ongoing unfair attack on Kleeneze. Even then I tried to be fair and honest and accepted valid critisism, but much of the critisism is complete rubbish. For example GeordieJoe claiming over and over that only friends would buy stuff and then only once or twice. Or that Kleeneze products were 5 times the price of other places. Then you who actually does no better, rather than correcting these "facts" find things to agree with in your eagerness to attack.
I would have been much less likely to have a "pop" if you had at least corrected the wild claims made by some others.
To make things worse some of your own claims have started to go in the same direction.

However lets take your acceptance that £500 retail is achievable by most people. First I'll accept a point of yours that without recruiting and only doing £500 retail the income is not worth it. But networking is about a lot of people doing a little, wouldn't you agree? Now I see you liked working out the income, so here is one for you to work out. Over a period of time our new agent recruits 10 others who in turn do some recruiting but let's say only 5 each. Now some may do more than £500 and some less, equally some may recruit more or less but for ease let's run with these figures and work out an income and see if things begin to look a little better.

How can I be making an unfair attack on Kleeneze with just quoting KLEENEZE fact and figures, printed in KLEENEZE literature ???JUST the FACTS Ethanm !!
And why do you keep on going on about GeordieJoe mentioning the price of goods, you CAN buy a lot of the products cheaper even at ASDA (pet hair removers, orange clean. Oxyclean,etc) but I have not mentioned that in my posts, the business is going downhill fast YOU DON'T REPLY TO THAT POINT DO YOU.....you would make a good politician....and if YOU were truthful I bet YOUR turnover has dropped like most other agents at the top or bottom of Kleeneze.

Your second point about the £500 turnover...you admit then that unless you start sponsoring you could earn more doing a paper round....and ask for JUST find 10 to find 5...utter crap, most people cant find 1 or 2 and you know that...look at poor sarahriches1983 experience, she came into the business, got fed a load of bull and then sent out with little chance of success, I bet nobody told her she would have to sponsor 10 people to earn any money.

sarahriches1983

look at poor sarahriches1983 experience, she came into the business, got fed a load of bull and then sent out with little chance of success, I bet nobody told her she would have to sponsor 10 people to earn any money.

Exactly my point Brian...Only way you earn money in Kleenze is to sign up other people with the same BS which i wasnt told about and wasnt willing to do.

brian09tt

I really can't be bothered to deal with such rubbish but very quickly I will take the time to answer 3 of your points.

1. No MLM messaging is not mandatory, We have downline that are not on it for instance.

YOU are told join you cant loose, it is free for the first month...NO there is a £20 set up fee...its only the first months rental thats free!

2. Kleeneze is a self employed business, if you need a job then get one, a self employed business is not for you. In my own non Kleeneze business I spend around £10,000 a year just on advertising, I understand the need for investment because I have a self employed mentality. You have a job mentality and that is fine, just no need to knock a different method because it doesn't suit you.

Not exactly what they say when joining people is it....more like "anybody can make Kleeneze work, Its just a numbers game)
BUT the numbers are stacked against you

3. This has been discussed before but seems particularily ironic coming from a Bettaware person. By the way many many people have left Betterware to join Kleeneze and are much happier with them.

The opposite is true as well.

Where you do have a point and again this has been raised in this thread, some sponsers are recruiting people without giving all the information, this is clearly wrong and results in people being seriously pi**ed off.

Err that would be most of the agents, in my experience.I WOULD TO LOOK AT YOUR KLEENEZE ADVETISING SITE AND SEE HOW MUCH CRAP IT CONTAINS!

As I have said I don't even work for Kleeneze(DONT BLAME YOU) and am only responding because I don't feel it is right to have so much mis-information (ALSO KNOWN AS FACTS)but this is taking too much time and my time is precious, suffice to say a lot of the claims being made against Kleeneze are completely false,(BUT JUST HAPPEN TO BE PRINTED IN THE KLEENEZE SEND OUTS, THATS REASSURING) it's not my job to dispel all this crap (VERY DIFFICULT WHEN ITS TRUE IN THE FIRST PLACE EH)so I'm going to pull out of this thread which I'm sure will delight all those with an agenda to lie, exagerate etc (JUST THE OPPOSITE, I WAS HOPING FOR SOME ANSWERS) in their goal to smear kleeneze. Perhaps like me they should spend a bit more time doing something more positive( THAN KLEENEZE) with their lives. But then some people love nothing better than to continually gripe.

By the way Ethanm, thanks for telling me about your recent holidays...even though I don't remember asking....I just asked your position in the business....guess you wanted to impress me.......I went to Cancun in Mexico myself....so not overly impressed with Teneriffe, but nice try.
by the way nothing against Tenereffe, been there and enjoyed it.

Glad you run your own business alongside your wifes Kleeneze business, will come in handy when Kleeneze hits the rocks properly, unfortunately a lot of the people you con into Kleeneze don't have that to fall back on do they??

EthanM

sarahriches1983 wrote: »

No, you dont work for Kleeneze....You OWN YOUR OWN BUSINESS...what a load of carp...

You're braindwashed like the rest of them.

As for misinformation.....Try the misinformation you bloody vultures fed me!

Read highlighted text above to save MSE bandwidth.

And yeah...you pull out of this thread....because you know you're fighting a losing battle because theres 10 people who've been scammed by this company for every one of you vultures who've been willing to go along with the brain washing and sign up people who are hard up/vunerable to get your cash.

Get away! And as my ex would say in Geordieland...Go n boil yer heed!!

Agghh lol my goodness you people are totally commited to your slander and talking complete tosh.

This post is a good example of why I'm not interested.

It begins with sarcasm in the belief that I work for Kleeneze, typically it is completely wrong because I do own my own business and I don't work for Kleeneze. But hey Sarah has clearly not followed the conversation but just jumps in to throw her sarcasm.

She then tells me I'm brainwashed which must be a miracle because I don't go to the meetings because I don't work for Kleeneze, does her ignorance know no bounds?

Her next point that I'm fighting a losing battle is I guess true, there is little point as the Bible say's casting pearls before swine. What does this woman understand about business? She is a newly recruited Bettaware agent, I am a successful business man, my wife is also very successful in her home country ( Brasil ) appearing on the front of Vogue in the last few months among other magazines and quite frankly I can't be bothered taking Crap from know nothings, and then after she makes ridiculous statements based on a complete misunderstanding due to not reading the thread a couple of people actually thank her for her "useful post." Amazing. So your right I'm fighting a losing battle, I might as well try to teach my dog to read.

Small exception for Brian who does actually put together rational arguments on the whole with only a few exceptions where his general bias and bitterness gets the better of him.

EthanM

brian09tt wrote: »

YOU are told join you cant loose, it is free for the first month...NO there is a £20 set up fee...its only the first months rental thats free!


Not exactly what they say when joining people is it....more like "anybody can make Kleeneze work, Its just a numbers game)
BUT the numbers are stacked against you


The opposite is true as well.


Err that would be most of the agents, in my experience.I WOULD TO LOOK AT YOUR KLEENEZE ADVETISING SITE AND SEE HOW MUCH CRAP IT CONTAINS!

As I have said I don't even work for Kleeneze(DONT BLAME YOU) and am only responding because I don't feel it is right to have so much mis-information (ALSO KNOWN AS FACTS)but this is taking too much time and my time is precious, suffice to say a lot of the claims being made against Kleeneze are completely false,(BUT JUST HAPPEN TO BE PRINTED IN THE KLEENEZE SEND OUTS, THATS REASSURING) it's not my job to dispel all this crap (VERY DIFFICULT WHEN ITS TRUE IN THE FIRST PLACE EH)so I'm going to pull out of this thread which I'm sure will delight all those with an agenda to lie, exagerate etc (JUST THE OPPOSITE, I WAS HOPING FOR SOME ANSWERS) in their goal to smear kleeneze. Perhaps like me they should spend a bit more time doing something more positive( THAN KLEENEZE) with their lives. But then some people love nothing better than to continually gripe.

By the way Ethanm, thanks for telling me about your recent holidays...even though I don't remember asking....I just asked your position in the business....guess you wanted to impress me.......I went to Cancun in Mexico myself....so not overly impressed with Teneriffe, but nice try.
by the way nothing against Tenereffe, been there and enjoyed it.

Glad you run your own business alongside your wifes Kleeneze business, will come in handy when Kleeneze hits the rocks properly, unfortunately a lot of the people you con into Kleeneze don't have that to fall back on do they??

Brian this is my last answer so please don't ask me any further questions.

My comment on the MLM service was that it is not mandatory, it is a correct comment. As an aside Kleeneze make no money from it as it is not their service.

I don't agree the numbers are stacked against you, I believe it doesn't work for a lot of people because they do things like put out their catalogues and then don't collect them ( as has been complained about a lot on this thread ) or they don't have the vision to understand that in the early day's they may only be making 65pence a catalogue or even worse but that with persistance this figure will rise dramatically etc.

What I call mis-information you call facts? Really so it is a fact that you can only get orders from friends? It is a fact that Kleeneze products are 5 times the price? No Brian most is a load of rubbish, and you do give some correct facts but then mis-represent those facts with your interpretation. I note for example you did this with some figures to show earnings, but when I gave a different senerio and asked you to work out the earnings, you chose to completely ignore me. This would of course have given a completely different picture.

Finally Brian uses sarcasm about my latest holiday's which he didn't ask me about. True, but I didn't mention any holidays. What you did Brian was to tell us how successful you had been at Kleeneze, you then asked me how I was doing and I'm pretty sure you guessed it would not be as well as you had done. So I told you a tiny little bit about my success and my business which included working around the world. I was working for a month in Tenerife.

On the one hand you claim people earn nothing from Kleeneze ( though you reached £2,400 ) then you complain that when Kleeneze collapse ( according to your prediction ) people will be left in trouble unlike myself. Hmm I would have thought if you were being consistant that these people would be better off.

Brian you had some moderate success with Kleeneze and by your own definition this is incredibly difficult to do with the numbers stacked heavily against you. So I reckon you should be able to be successful at many other things, my advice is to go and find something worthy of your time and investment and put your heart and mind to work.

brian09tt

Brian this is my last answer so please don't ask me any further questions.
I will reply to your comments, but try not to ask any questions
My comment on the MLM service was that it is not mandatory, it is a correct comment. As an aside Kleeneze make no money from it as it is not their service.
Distributors don't make money off MLM, but do miss-sell it by saying its free for the first month, when in fact there is a £20 non-refundable fee to pay.

I don't agree the numbers are stacked against you, I believe it doesn't work for a lot of people because they do things like put out their catalogues and then don't collect them In my experience these are very few and far between( as has been complained about a lot on this thread ) or they don't have the vision to understand that in the early day's they may only be making 65pence a catalogue or even worse but that with persistance this figure will rise dramatically etc.
People are miss-sold the idea that "you can make money from day one" and come into Kleeneze in urgent need of money to pay bills etc...Persistance is not a luxury they have, they need the money quick as promised....not "get Rich quick" but at least a decent extra income pretty quick.

What I call mis-information you call facts?
How can it be called "mis-information" when I'm quoting Kleeneze facts & figures readily available from their own web-site and past EWBs
Really so it is a fact that you can only get orders from friends?
NO your main orders are from customers gained from blanket drops
It is a fact that Kleeneze products are 5 times the price?
Personally I wouldn't say 5 times but definitely twice as much as say ASDA
No Brian most is a load of rubbish, and you do give some correct facts but then mis-represent those facts with your interpretation. I note for example you did this with some figures to show earnings, but when I gave a different senerio and asked you to work out the earnings, you chose to completely ignore me. This would of course have given a completely different picture.
NO I said that the concept of somebody sponsoring 10 who sponsor 5, is near impossible for the VAST majority of people who join Kleeneze and the fallout figures back my point.
Finally Brian uses sarcasm about my latest holiday's which he didn't ask me about. True, but I didn't mention any holidays. What you did Brian was to tell us how successful you had been at Kleeneze, you then asked me how I was doing and I'm pretty sure you guessed it would not be as well as you had done. NO I wanted to know your level to see if you had been in Kleeneze long enough to witness the massive drop in turnover the last few years, which you obviously have, yet dismiss the facts or choose to ignore them.
So I told you a tiny little bit about my success and my business which included working around the world. I was working for a month in Tenerife.
It didn't come across that way, I could have read it wrong.

On the one hand you claim people earn nothing from Kleeneze YES UNLESS THEY SPONSOR EARLY OR RETAIL VERY HARD( though you reached £2,400 ) After hard work for years, a few years ago when It seemed a dammed sight easier than recently and then it all disappeared then you complain that when Kleeneze collapse ( according to your prediction )Which way are the figures heading....and I didn't say collapse altogether, Findel will pull the plug before that happens, is what I said. people will be left in trouble unlike myself. Hmm I would have thought if you were being consistant that these people would be better off.In the long run, yes probably.

Brian you had some moderate success with Kleeneze and by your own definition this is incredibly difficult to do with the numbers stacked heavily against you. So I reckon you should be able to be successful at many other things, my advice is to go and find something worthy of your time and investment and put your heart and mind to work.

brian09tt

My old uplines...upline i.e. top of my old business.

Rob Forster.

period 8 2006 £1,191,638

Period 8 2007 £1,086,279

Period 8 2008 £988,640

My friend who is still in Kleeneze (but not for long apparently) has just given me the latest "bulk sales figures" for the team I used to be in and its still heading down....DOWN £202,998. in the last 2 years alone!

Rob is always sending out messages on the MLM system he tells me, to his team saying "well done, we have had another record month...and we are doing better than most other teams in Kleeneze":rolleyes:

What do they say about mushrooms????
"kept in the dark and fed s@@t"

When I left, my friend said it was a mistake.....having lost 3 of the remaining 9 in his team and struggling to find new people, hes having second thoughts now himself!