Kleeneze

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savemoney wrote: »

well who pays for the catalogues, I dont, they do.

I started chopping the catalogues in half and leaving them outside in the bag on the day stated.

Funnily enough, I don't get any now.

brian09tt

Ok so your figures may be correct (can't be a....d to check) still doesn't answer my question Kleeneze are a decent chunk of Findel's turnover and profit they wouldn't want to just close us down overnight somehow they would still need to sell all those goods or the city would send their shares down even further. PETESTAN

You KNOW they are correct or you would have double checked them and threw them back at me.It doesn't make good reading does it, it certainly does not show a business that is supposed to duplicate itself.

Why are they currently coming up with all the new promos to increase the network if they are going to dump it?
They couldn't send a cat. direct to the customer's as they have no idea who and where they are?

Don't forget the new promo,s don't cost Findel anything if nobody can achieve them, weather its the cars or the holidays. Therefore its a no loose situation for Findel.. Either:
1. Group sales go up because people are moving up the pay-plan, so Findel have the extra cash to fund the trips etc.
OR
2. Group sales drop like they are doing and they don't have to shell out for many trips etc.
"Talk about Pie in the Sky", the last 2 conferences I went to there was not much given away in the way of cars etc! and the stage was nearly empty when the Conference qualifiers were there waving their flags....ESPECIALLY when you discount ALL the SEDs who automatically qualify for standing still!
Totally a different picture to the Kleeneze I joined a few years ago.

Do you call the items posted below INVESTMENT in the business or cutting costs?
1.Simon Warren and John Kerr (Network Development/Liaison Manager i.e. “The team at H.Q.”)Were made redundant around the 17th July 2008.

2.As stated in the company announcement on 21st December, Kleeneze will continue to trade in Holland and Germany. As part of the review we will be unable to offer written or verbal linguistic support from 17.00 (GMT) on Friday 16th February”.

Don't forget that Findel only bought Kleeneze to purchase the attached "I want one of those" and mainly "Kit-Bag", so if it closes down Kleeneze it would not matter a great deal as they never planned to do anything with it in the first place!! Its only because the heads of the network offered to finance certain areas of the business and asked for time to turn Kleeneze around.
Unfortunately they have not managed to do this and time must be running out.

brian09tt

PETESTAN , don't get me wrong It's very sad that Kleeneze has ended up this way.
I thoroughly enjoyed the first couple of years in Kleeneze, but there comes a time when you have to face the facts staring you in the face.

They might drive Rolls Royce's, Aston Martins out in the NIA and yes It's very impressive with all the smoke machines and sound effects, but get real you would have to see somebody 5 times better than the current top of the pay-plan BW who has been in 15 years and like most of the agents has been going back wards foe the past 3 - 4 years.
They can't even get enough people to go up the pay-plan to give away the agreed amount of Minis. Was it 4 or 5 last year in stead of 10?

Findel have lost 75% of their share value and believe me the cost cutting axe will have to fall somewhere soon....SAD BUT TRUE!

brian09tt

Yes they own ace cards and Studio but they come out once or twice a year (that's the only time I get one anyway) whereas Kleeneze distributors go round every 4 - 6 weeks.
I doubt customers would order anywhere near as often, if at all, if a cat. just just came through the post whether it came through once a year or once a month, they are very loyal to the distributors and there is the personal service and no query returns if they have a problem whereas if it was posted they would have to go to the post office to collect their order if they are out at work all day (the post office or couriers don't do evening deliveries), any problems they would have the hassle of trying to send it back, telephone calls, posting the item, getting proof it was sent back, etc.

Screw-Fix manage very well and have a massive GROWING turnover.

geordie_joe

EthanM wrote: »

She then tells me I'm brainwashed which must be a miracle because I don't go to the meetings because I don't work for Kleeneze, does her ignorance know no bounds?

Nope, she is quite right. You don't own your business, your business is Kleeneze's.

If it was your own business you would be able to source the products from any other outlet. You would be able to sell anything you wanted, as long as it was legal.

Alll you have is the Kleeneze catalgue, and if Kleeneze go out of business you also have no business.

You are no better than a pub tenant, who rents his pub from the brewery, has to buy everything from the brewery but his wages are defined buy the amount of sales he makes.

Go away and find out the difference between a managed pub and a freehouse, then come back and tell me you own something. Something that doesn't depend on Kleeneze for it's existence.

savemoney

This is why is such a awful scheme cough I mean con

They promise people untold riches, they pretend that they are empowering people, but as geordie joe said it isn't a proper business you are being duped

The sooner this business closes down so much the better

petestan

savemoney wrote: »

This is why is such a awful scheme cough I mean con

They promise people untold riches, they pretend that they are empowering people, but as geordie joe said it isn't a proper business you are being duped

The sooner this business closes down so much the better

Why should it close down, I have plenty of customers (around 1000) who enjoy getting and buying from the kleeneze catalogue, if they are not happy with anything they buy I give them a full refund, everything is delivered to their door FREE of charge, I don't FORCE anyone to buy anything from my cat's, so what harm am I doing.

No one is forced to network some distributors don't want to, it's everyone's personal choice. I / Kleeneze don't FORCE people to join Kleeneze they decide themselves if they want to join and they get 14 days to decide if they want to continue to do it during which they can get a FULL refund, it is their choice.

petestan

brian09tt wrote: »

Screw-Fix manage very well and have a massive GROWING turnover.

Yes and there are a lot of other catalogues out there that are successful also all I am saying is if Kleeneze was to turn from a personal service hand delivered catalogue every 4-5 weeks with free deliver to your door into just another catalogue that pops through your door along with all the rest their turnover would plummet.

Jo_F

Hmmm a company that has been operating for over 80 years now, can't see it disappearing overnight.

It's obvious to me that there are two camps here, neither is wrong, and neither is right.

Kleeneze does work for some people, and yet it doesn't work for others, that's just the way that life goes, but it's sad to see the ones that don't like it being so horrible to the people that are happy with Kleenze.

We all have differing opinions on things, and the world is a very diverse place, so is there any chance than all parties can agree to disagree on this one?

petestan

Jo_F wrote: »

Hmmm a company that has been operating for over 80 years now, can't see it disappearing overnight.

It's obvious to me that there are two camps here, neither is wrong, and neither is right.

Kleeneze does work for some people, and yet it doesn't work for others, that's just the way that life goes, but it's sad to see the ones that don't like it being so horrible to the people that are happy with Kleenze.

We all have differing opinions on things, and the world is a very diverse place, so is there any chance than all parties can agree to disagree on this one?

That's ok by me Jo_F, I just don't like people slagging off the company that's pays my mortgage and bills.:T