Kleeneze

Antispam

Because my home is my castle I dont want your over priced products, I dont want your catalogue, it will be binned. You sell this over priced tat to gullible people and the people who sell this tat are also gullible

1000 customer yet right I dont believe they are repeated customers

petestan wrote: »

Why should it close down, I have plenty of customers (around 1000) who enjoy getting and buying from the kleeneze catalogue, if they are not happy with anything they buy I give them a full refund, everything is delivered to their door FREE of charge, I don't FORCE anyone to buy anything from my cat's, so what harm am I doing.

No one is forced to network some distributors don't want to, it's everyone's personal choice. I / Kleeneze don't FORCE people to join Kleeneze they decide themselves if they want to join and they get 14 days to decide if they want to continue to do it during which they can get a FULL refund, it is their choice.

savemoney

So what gives people the right to post there rubbish on my doorstep, the company is a joke it is deliberately set up in such a way that makes sellers compete with on another so you can end up with 2-3 over rated catalogues of rubbish every other week, and what do Kleenzy do? nothing they dont give a damn, it ain't there problem. You have no right posting your catalogues in my door, and I have every right to post it in the bin, because I can guaranteed come rain or shine that person will never turn up when they claim to to collect the catalogue because they have been sold a LIE

EthanM

geordie_joe wrote: »

Nope, she is quite right. You don't own your business, your business is Kleeneze's.

If it was your own business you would be able to source the products from any other outlet. You would be able to sell anything you wanted, as long as it was legal.

Alll you have is the Kleeneze catalgue, and if Kleeneze go out of business you also have no business.

You are no better than a pub tenant, who rents his pub from the brewery, has to buy everything from the brewery but his wages are defined buy the amount of sales he makes.

Go away and find out the difference between a managed pub and a freehouse, then come back and tell me you own something. Something that doesn't depend on Kleeneze for it's existence.

Oh my God, GeordieJoe comes back after making his false claims about the price of Kleeneze's product one too many times, I proved him wrong and he disappears till he sees an opportunity to bounce back and prove me wrong. Unfortunately for him his latest claim is just as crass as his last one. GeordiJoe I don't work for Kleeneze because I don't work for Kleeneze. Let me put it another way that maybe you will understand. I am not a Kleeneze agent, I don't get paid any money from Kleeneze. Is the Penny starting to drop yet??
Over and again you make false claims and a large part of the reason is that you don't listen, everyone else that has followed the thread knows that my wife does Kleeneze and I support her in that, but I have my own business. Perhaps in your over keeness to disagree with everything I say you need to think a little first and possibly actually read the previous posts. You might even have noticed that I had requested not to be brought further into this conversation as I'm tired of dealing with such ill thought out posts and stupid claims like "1000 customer yet right I dont believe they are repeated customers" ( Just ask someone like Brian who is very anti Kleeneze but actually knows the facts about the business, rather than the fanciful ideas you have in your head about Kleeneze that people don't re-order learnt from the likes of GeordieJoe )

By the way I know a few pub tennants and they don't do to badly at all, I'd wager they earn more than you.

petestan

Antispam wrote: »

Because my home is my castle I dont want your over priced products, I dont want your catalogue, it will be binned. You sell this over priced tat to gullible people and the people who sell this tat are also gullible

1000 customer yet right I dont believe they are repeated customers

See what I mean Jo_F, I try to be nice and someone comes back slagging me off.

As to repeat customers seeing as I have been doing Kleeneze for almost 6 years if they were not repeat customers I would have run out of houses by now ( I live in a small town of around 20,000 people and still have a lot of customers who have ordered from me from the beginning although I still pick up new customers when I re blanket every so often and occasionally I come across a person like antispam who throw/bin my cat's. It doesn't bother me any more it's like water off a ducks back I just move on to the next house where I know there are orders waiting for me.
I also have had a number of customers who I have dropped as they didn't order often enough or were a pain, but when I re blanket the area a year or so later order from me again, they wouldn't do that unless they were happy with either my service or the products, Pete.:rotfl:

PS No doubt antispam will come back and say I am lying but I have my customer order forms to prove it, not that I need to because no matter what I say he won't believe me.:D

brian09tt

Current Distributors, like PETESTAN pick the bones out of some posts but refuse to answer a post aimed directly at him asking him an opinion of the state of Kleeneze, using facts and statements from his own company...i.e.Kleeneze.

Maybe talking about the Retail side is easier to defend than the current state of Kleeneze...FREEFALL!

Here is the post in question again PETESTAN in case you missed it?

brian09tt wrote: »

You KNOW they are correct or you would have double checked them and threw them back at me.It doesn't make good reading does it, it certainly does not show a business that is supposed to duplicate itself.



Don't forget the new promo,s don't cost Findel anything if nobody can achieve them, weather its the cars or the holidays. Therefore its a no loose situation for Findel.. Either:
1. Group sales go up because people are moving up the pay-plan, so Findel have the extra cash to fund the trips etc.
OR
2. Group sales drop like they are doing and they don't have to shell out for many trips etc.
"Talk about Pie in the Sky", the last 2 conferences I went to there was not much given away in the way of cars etc! and the stage was nearly empty when the Conference qualifiers were there waving their flags....ESPECIALLY when you discount ALL the SEDs who automatically qualify for standing still!
Totally a different picture to the Kleeneze I joined a few years ago.

Do you call the items posted below INVESTMENT in the business or cutting costs?
1.Simon Warren and John Kerr (Network Development/Liaison Manager i.e. “The team at H.Q.”)Were made redundant around the 17th July 2008.

2.As stated in the company announcement on 21st December, Kleeneze will continue to trade in Holland and Germany. As part of the review we will be unable to offer written or verbal linguistic support from 17.00 (GMT) on Friday 16th February”.

Don't forget that Findel only bought Kleeneze to purchase the attached "I want one of those" and mainly "Kit-Bag", so if it closes down Kleeneze it would not matter a great deal as they never planned to do anything with it in the first place!! Its only because the heads of the network offered to finance certain areas of the business and asked for time to turn Kleeneze around.
Unfortunately they have not managed to do this and time must be running out.

petestan

Antispam wrote: »

Because my home is my castle I dont want your over priced products, I dont want your catalogue, it will be binned. You sell this over priced tat to gullible people and the people who sell this tat are also gullible

1000 customer yet right I dont believe they are repeated customers

I'll tell you what, to make sure you don't get another catalogue just leave you address on here and I am sure every Kleeneze and Betterware agent that works in your town will never go anywhere near your door again.:rotfl:

brian09tt

"as I have been doing Kleeneze for almost 6 years"

"I also have had a number of customers who I have dropped as they didn't order often enough or were a pain, but when I re blanket the area a year or so later order from me again, they wouldn't do that unless they were happy with either my service or the products, Pete."

So you admit you are quite successful, but also admit that you keep on having to blanket dropping even after six years in the business....

So when Rob says you can "RETIRE IN 5 YEARS" OR "ITS A 2 TO 5 YEAR PLAN AND THEN ITS BUILT"....not quite right then.

The fact is you can never ease off, you have either to keep sponsoring to keep your PSG in tact if you have a team.

OR

Keep doing blanket drops as your customers fall away.

Not quite the "Retirement Plan" its advertised as then!

brian09tt

Jo_F wrote: »

Hmmm a company that has been operating for over 80 years now, can't see it disappearing overnight.

Come on Jo_F, everyday you watch the news and company's that have been around over 100 years go bankrupt....one of the latest ones was the Brewery that here been going for many many years ( I think it was in Liverpool ) and even last year showed good profits.....Now Gone.

or one a bit closer to home "Fairpack" who used to own Kleeneze.....nobody could see that going under could they? infact the poor agents were the last to know and still kept paying into it to the last days!
How old was that company?

Brian.

Jo_F

You know, I give up with this, there are people that have an idea in their heads, and no matter what anyone else says, they will not deviate from that idea.

To all the distibutors..... hope you all have a really successful Christmas season and that things continue well for you. (without too many frozen or soggy cats)

To all the disgruntled ex distributors..... sorry that it didn't work out for you.

To all the grumps..... you are entitled to your opinions on the catalogues, but distributors have one like you in every street, so it's water of a ducks back to most of them.

to anyone thinking of it..... it works for some, it doesn't work for others, so the best advise I can give is talk to lots of people about it. If you have someone wanting you to do it, and they are pushing to get you signed up.... walk away from them and find someone else. It is hard work, and there is nothing worse than trudging about the streets in the rain, but, for the 2 and half years that I did it, I loved it, I met some really nice people, and I met some horrible ones, I did it all by foot, so kept fit at the same time. I didn't make millions, but i did make enough to help with the bills. It took me about 6 months to get established in my area, there were another 3 distributors at the time, but the as the customers told me... they stuck with me cos I went back when I said I would, was back at the their house in 5 mins if there had been a problem, the sort of good customer service that I felt I should give.

It's not a con, or a scam, but it's not easy either, it takes a lot of work to get it going, just like any other business. Go into it with open eyes, get as much information as you can, and if you go for it..... good luck,

brian09tt

You know, I give up with this, there are people that have an idea in their heads, and no matter what anyone else says, they will not deviate from that idea.Jo_F

Jo_F, I totally agree with you and quoted this in post 363 previously about Kleeneze agents....

Members should listen to what they are told and follow instructions.
This includes following the system, but more disturbingly, it includes instructions such as: not listening to negativity; ignoring the concerns of others; letting any ridicule go above their head; and only focusing on and staying committed to their cause. "Enthusiasm" is the buzzword.
This is the main reason that people get so alienated by those around them. Concerns and objections by friends, family and colleagues are dismissed because they are too negative to see the opportunity. Brian