We'd like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum... Read More »
Kleeneze
Comments
-
When I was looking at KZ, I had just lost my work at home job (it was an assembly job) and I knew that an old school friend was doing it.
So I phoned him up, and I can remember asking him to tell me about it, I started with 'Dont give me all the glossy sales talk crap, give it to me straight'
And he did, he told me all about the lost catalogues, walking round in the rain, trying to make notes on soggy bits of paper so you knew where you had collected the cats from. Having to go back to the same houses over and over, either to collect the cat, or deliver an order. Customers phoning you all hours of the day. Getting disheartened when people that you were talking to about signing up changed their minds. All sorts of stuff, all the things that have been posted here.
And then he said to me, 'you know what, for all that, i love it, the freedom, meeting people, knowing that it will or won't work, but that it is all down to me and how hard I work'
I followed the system of blanket drops etc, got myself on a nice little 5 week cycle, spoke to a few prospects, nothing happened as a result, but it didnt bother me, I was happy just walking round town with my trolley (in my waterproofs!)
We went to a few of the group meetings, but both of us were bored with the same old same old with the testimonials, hey they didn't need to sell it to us, we were already there.
We went to the Christmas conferences, more to meet up with other members of the group, have a bit of fun, and of course cheer on members of the group that were going up on stage for whatever reason.
We had training meetings every week on Yahoo messenger, this was when we got to chat to the overseas distributors in the group, these were also good chances to chat and discuss this weeks problem customers etc.
My uplines were really supportive, if I was having a bad week, then they were there with virtual sympathy, I can remember one point, I had collected about 100 cats and only had orders totaling about £20, it was throwing it down with rain, most of my books were turning to paper machie, my gold phoned me and cheered me up, it was really nice the know that there was someone there to rant and rave at.
The next day I went out to collect the next lot, and came home with over £400 worth of orders, on chasing the stragglers that week I can remember picking up another £300. I was on a high, my sponsor knew, but he said 'hw about we keep it quiet, until the weekly group figure are out?' so we did, and it was great to see the weekly group figures out that week, from such a depressing start, I actually retailled the second highest in the week, I even retailed more than my Gold that week! (and it was my best ever week)
I was summoned down to London, to the meeting at Heathrow so that my gold could give me my 13% pin and certificate himself, instead of posting it to me.
They never ever pushed me to sponsor, but I knew that the support was there should I need it, I always remember how totally and brutally honest my sponsor was about it, he gave me no illusions of easy pickings. I guess that I was just lucky that I had a great line above me, they didn't even get mad at me when I finally gave up, and we all still chat occasionally, so I haven't been cast a drift.0 -
They never ever pushed me to sponsor, but I knew that the support was there should I need it, I always remember how totally and brutally honest my sponsor was about it, he gave me no illusions of easy pickings. I guess that I was just lucky that I had a great line above me, they didn't even get mad at me when I finally gave up, and we all still chat occasionally, so I haven't been cast a drift.
Jo, I don't think you know how lucky you were (That is very rare)
I was expected to attend EVERY meeting, seminar & Conference and so were my team. Missing ANY event was viewed at "very negative" and they let you know it!
I enjoyed the early days and did quite good retail and sponsored a few people including my Sister, I was brought to the front of the room, given my certificates and pins and asked to say a few words of encouragement to the troops...
but if I dipped a little questions were asked very quickly....
"are you sure you are taking your Business serious?"
"Mr & Mrs X have done so much retail this month and they have more children than you or work longer hours"
"Mr X has jumped to whatever level and he has no car like you"
"Miss X is a single mum, but put 3 in her team this month"
Whoever was flavour of the month either by retailing well or team building were forced down your throat, trying to make you beat yourself up and think you were not trying hard enough, you started to doubt your commitment and work ethic at times.
Not deterred we still managed to get to the Gold level after a hell of a lot of hours, sacrifice and hard work and felt quite proud, especially going across the stage at the NIA, but as soon as it fell back a bit, the knives were out again....hero to zero!
The amount of agents who have achieved Gold or above and lost that position is unbelievable, which explains why the Golds and above figures are always static, no matter how many Golds walk across that stage every year.
Its facts like this and knowing that far from growing the business was going back wards and all the people being sponsored were replacing some of the ones who had quit, it had got to the stage where more were quiting than starting Kleeneze, that made trying to sell the business on past performance a little hard to swallow.
When I started to view the business without the rose coloured specs on, I could not see a full time future anything like I had been sold the business originally, which was the main reason I walked away eventually.
Brian0 -
Oh my God, GeordieJoe comes back after making his false claims about the price of Kleeneze's product one too many times,
Nope, none of my claims about kleeneze prices were false.I proved him wrong
No you didn't, how the heck could you prove me wrong, the stuff is way over prices and that's plain for all to see.and he disappears till he sees an opportunity to bounce back and prove me wrong.
Nope, I disappeared because my web host decided to block a certain php function and 12 of my web sites stopped working. I only came back in here as a break from searching the internet for a solution.Unfortunately for him his latest claim is just as crass as his last one.GeordiJoe I don't work for Kleeneze because I don't work for Kleeneze. Let me put it another way that maybe you will understand. I am not a Kleeneze agent, I don't get paid any money from Kleeneze. Is the Penny starting to drop yet??
You said you owned a business, but what exactly do you own? You may say you don't get paid by kleeneze, but you get commission from the kleeneze stuff you sell. As I said earlier, without kleeneze you would have nothing.
Nobody is buying your products and they won't care if you stop doing kleeneze and someone else takes over. It is kleeneze they are buying from.Over and again you make false claims and a large part of the reason is that you don't listen, everyone else that has followed the thread knows that my wife does Kleeneze and I support her in that, but I have my own business.
Yes but everyone who followed the last thread read this (post 6)!
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1004633&page=2&highlight=kleenezeI guess your definition of a scam and mine are completely different. I did respond to a similar add to this, I was asked to invest £125, I studied it and did it. I earnt my £125 back in the first week and now earn a few hundred each month as an add on to my regular income. I do this with Kleeneze and am very happy with it.Perhaps in your over keeness to disagree with everything I say you need to think a little first and possibly actually read the previous posts.
I think perhaps you should do that too. But to save you the trouble let me remind you. You said thet YOU answered the ad, YOU studied it, YOU paid the £125, YOU earn the money and YOU do this with Kleeneze and YOU are very happy with it.By the way I know a few pub tennants and they don't do to badly at all, I'd wager they earn more than you.
What has that got to do with anything? I said being a kleeneze agent is like being a pub tennant, you are tied to the brewery and without them you have nothing. And you come back with that!!!0 -
geordie joe has got a very valid point,
Ethan, In your latest post YOU are now saying this....
.Originally Posted by EthanM
Over and again you make false claims and a large part of the reason is that you don't listen, everyone else that has followed the thread knows that my wife does Kleeneze and I support her in that, but I have my own business
Where in one of your first posts before YOU were saying this....
I guess your definition of a scam and mine are completely different. I did respond to a similar add to this, I was asked to invest £125, I studied it and did it. I earnt my £125 back in the first week and now earn a few hundred each month as an add on to my regular income. I do this with Kleeneze and am very happy with it. Is this a scam? definitely not. Is it for everybody that needs extra money? again definitely not.EthanM
There are a lot of I's in the first post that would suggest that YOU were the Kleeneze Agent, as there is no mention of WE or your WIFE ???
It's got ME thinking now are YOU the Kleeneze agent but maybe a bit too embarrassed to say?? I notice It's YOU doing all the defending and not a peep from your wife who is supposed to be the agent?:o
Is it time to come clean??0 -
STILL NO REPLY FROM PETESTAN, IS IT TOO DIFFICULT TO ARGUE WITH FACTS FROM YOUR OWN COMPANY??
ITS EASIER TO DEFEND THE RETAIL SIDE IT WOULD SEEM?YOUR SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES!:rotfl:Current Distributors, like PETESTAN pick the bones out of some posts but refuse to answer a post aimed directly at him asking him an opinion of the state of Kleeneze, using facts and statements from his own company...i.e.Kleeneze.
Maybe talking about the Retail side is easier to defend than the current state of Kleeneze...FREEFALL!
Here is the post in question again PETESTAN in case you missed it?
Originally Posted by brian09tt
You KNOW they are correct or you would have double checked them and threw them back at me.It doesn't make good reading does it, it certainly does not show a business that is supposed to duplicate itself.
Don't forget the new promo,s don't cost Findel anything if nobody can achieve them, weather its the cars or the holidays. Therefore its a no loose situation for Findel.. Either:
1. Group sales go up because people are moving up the pay-plan, so Findel have the extra cash to fund the trips etc.
OR
2. Group sales drop like they are doing and they don't have to shell out for many trips etc.
"Talk about Pie in the Sky", the last 2 conferences I went to there was not much given away in the way of cars etc! and the stage was nearly empty when the Conference qualifiers were there waving their flags....ESPECIALLY when you discount ALL the SEDs who automatically qualify for standing still!
Totally a different picture to the Kleeneze I joined a few years ago.
Do you call the items posted below INVESTMENT in the business or cutting costs?
1.Simon Warren and John Kerr (Network Development/Liaison Manager i.e. “The team at H.Q.”)Were made redundant around the 17th July 2008.
2.As stated in the company announcement on 21st December, Kleeneze will continue to trade in Holland and Germany. As part of the review we will be unable to offer written or verbal linguistic support from 17.00 (GMT) on Friday 16th February”.
Don't forget that Findel only bought Kleeneze to purchase the attached "I want one of those" and mainly "Kit-Bag", so if it closes down Kleeneze it would not matter a great deal as they never planned to do anything with it in the first place!! Its only because the heads of the network offered to finance certain areas of the business and asked for time to turn Kleeneze around.
Unfortunately they have not managed to do this and time must be running out.0 -
petestan
Last Activity: Yesterday (Monday) 9:37 PM
maybe they have been busy on there web site or fly posters you often see around towns earn vast amounts of wad0 -
STILL NO REPLY FROM PETESTAN, IS IT TOO DIFFICULT TO ARGUE WITH FACTS FROM YOUR OWN COMPANY??
ITS EASIER TO DEFEND THE RETAIL SIDE IT WOULD SEEM?YOUR SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES!:rotfl:
I have been on the site but just to have a quick glance I haven't had time to give a full response I have far better things to do with my time.
As to your comment about only replying to certain questions YOU can talk you seem to very good at that EthanM asked you plenty of questions and you didn't reply to them.
As for my retail, yes I do a lot of retail and I am reblanketing at the moment because as we all know there is a credit crunch on and therefore my customers are not ordering as much therefore I decided to do some reblanketing because of this. Also I do it at this time of year so that I have been around my new customers at least a couple of times before all the "newbies" join at xmas, (if they are not in my team I don't want them getting orders from my customers). By the way in my reblanketing I am getting at least £1 per book and over despite the fact the streets I am doing I miss out the houses I already drop to.
As for the sponsoring side yes my sponsoring isn't great but I have never been very good at the networking side and learn't long since that you cannot rely on anyone else "if it's to be it's up to me" and it is MY business so I can work it exactly how I want to work it and I choose to do a lot of personal retail.0 -
THATS OK IF YOU ARE FULL TIME, WHEN YOU GET DRAGGED INTO KLEENEZE AS A PART TIME AGENT WITH ALL THE PROMISES ITS NOT THAT EASY IS IT?I have been on the site but just to have a quick glance I haven't had time to give a full response I have far better things to do with my time.WHAT A COP OUT!
As to your comment about only replying to certain questions YOU can talk you seem to very good at that EthanM asked you plenty of questions and you didn't reply to them.QUOTE THE QUESTIONS YOU SAY I MISSED AND I WILL GLADLY REPLY TO THEM, UNLIKE YOU WHO HAS STILL NOT ADDRESSED THE ISSUES REGARDING THE DRAMATIC DOWNTURN OF KLEENEZE!
As for my retail, yes I do a lot of retail and I am reblanketing at the moment because as we all know there is a credit crunch on and therefore my customers are not ordering as much therefore I decided to do some reblanketing because of this. Also I do it at this time of year so that I have been around my new customers at least a couple of times before all the "newbies" join at xmas,GET IN BEFORE THE NEW ONES START SO THEY HAVE NO CHANCE OF FINDING ORDERS, WHAT A LOVELY MAN YOU ARE ...NOT(if they are not in my team I don't want them getting orders from my customers). By the way in my reblanketing I am getting at least £1 per book and over despite the fact the streets I am doing I miss out the houses I already drop to.THE NEW ONES WON'T GET £1 A BOOK BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOAKED UP ALL THE ORDERS....SHOWS THE DOG EAT DOG ATTITUDE OF AGENTS.:mad:
As for the sponsoring side yes my sponsoring isn't great but I have never been very good at the networking side and learn't long since that you cannot rely on anyone elseI.E THEY ALL DROP OUT EVENTUALLY......DIDN'T YOU USED TO BE A GOLD AGENT ONCE AND THEN LOST IT, YET ANOTHER AGENT WHO CAN'T MAKE THE NETWORK SIDE WORK!?? I'M SURE I HAVE SEEN YOU AT ROBS STOOD AT THE FRONT AS A "GOLD" AGENT"if it's to be it's up to me" and it is MY business so I can work it exactly how I want to work it and I choose to do a lot of personal retail.0 -
You are perhaps not aware the Findel also own Ace cards and Studio 24.
Both these busineses are operated on a mail order basis.
I would suggest that they will amalgamate with Kze and either
a) Kze will become mail order ( ie ditch the network) All they are doing is replacing the distributors with postage, and would be cheaper,
or
b.) get kleeneze dists to deliver the other catalogues as well.
either way there are bound to be major changes soon, although coming into best time of year in lead up to Xmas.
GOOD POINT!
Talk about walking around with blinkers on…:cool:
Patrick Jolly, Head of Findel stated when he addressed the first Kleeneze conference after Findel had bought them out ...
“They originally wanted the group to obtain “I want one of those” & “Kit-Bag”
They got what they wanted and the quote from FINDELS site below backs that up.
Sales via the Internet now make up a larger percentage of the division's turnover thanks to the addition of Letterbox, Kitbag, Confetti, I Want One of Those and The Cotswold Company.
The money paid for Kleeneze must have been nearly covered when they sold all the Kleeneze Business premises down Bristol, so when they see the business continuing to dip, they may well decide to pull the plug,0 -
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply
Categories
- All Categories
- 350.1K Banking & Borrowing
- 252.8K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 453.1K Spending & Discounts
- 243.1K Work, Benefits & Business
- 597.5K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 176.5K Life & Family
- 256K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.6K Read-Only Boards