Kleeneze

brian09tt

One of The most disturbing issue regarding Kleeneze is the impact it has on personal relationships. MLM is often called "relationship marketing". The premise is that as the products and the "opportunity" is so good that we should share it with our friends and family.
The system taught over and over again
What happens in reality is that your friends and family become "prospects": people to sell to; potential members for your downline. You may receive help, in the form of orders, from those who wish to help you start your new venture at first; however, constant one-track conversations about the scheme will quickly alienate you from other people. If in your early enthusiasm you manage to sign up some friends and family to your downline, you may not be very popular once they realise that the wonderful scheme that you got them into has ended up costing them money.

My Sister still hasn’t forgive me for sponsoring her into Kleeneze.

You can quickly become a bore, then someone to be avoided at all costs!

My friends Now I’m out of it tell me how much they though I was “brainwashed” whilst in it and my wife still has an issue with how much time, effort and MONEY I pumped into it trying to make it work.

This damaging effect on relationships extends to wherever you decide to operate. If you are a member of a church, community centre, golf club, etcetera, you run the risk of alienating those around you and losing friends and of course your personal credibility.
Because I tried to sign them in without giving them the full details, or being very conservative with the truth.

Relationships, whether formal or informal, that were based on trust, may never be rebuilt.

I Hope people can read this and learn from my mistakes

Brian.

brian09tt

• You need to be "teachable"

One feature of Kleeneze is the use of "inspirational seminars". Meetings where members get together in a positive, motivational atmosphere, and are given propaganda and encouragement to continue with their venture.
One key feature is that members are reminded that the Kleeneze works and has been tried and tested and that members should not try to do things their own way otherwise they will fail.

FOLLOW THE LIGHT…….SORRY SYSYEM !

They are told that one quality of a successful member is that they are "teachable". Members should listen to what they are told and follow instructions.
This includes following the system, but more disturbingly, it includes instructions such as: not listening to negativity; ignoring the concerns of others; letting any ridicule go above their head; and only focusing on and staying committed to their cause. "Enthusiasm" is the buzzword.
This is the main reason that people get so alienated by those around them. Concerns and objections by friends, family and colleagues are dismissed because they are too negative to see the opportunity.

“Don’t listen to your friends and family”. Rob Forster

Talking the scheme up is also a must. No matter how badly you're doing you must always talk in a positive light. Things are always going very well indeed and joining the scheme is the best thing you've ever done. It is extremely unusual to hear someone admit that they are struggling to sell products and that they are disillusioned with the scheme.

Explains a lot of the denial about the state Kleeneze is in at the moment.

If the word "gullible" is used in place of "teachable" then a true picture of what is really going on emerges.

Kleeneze is selling false hope. They promise the opportunity of great wealth, freedom, and independence from the rat race.
In reality Kleeneze is nothing more than glorified "get rich quick" schemes that will cost you money, time, credibility and even your self-esteem.

Not MY words but sum up how I feel.

Brian

MothballsWallet

Jo_F wrote: »

Well i have to say, given some of the supposed 'soft scoop' ice cream available these days, I sure could do with one of them, must mention it next time my KZ girl comes round, I'm sick of distorting scoops and spoons trying to get some out.

Ever tried running the ice scream spoon/scoop under hot running water first? It does work.

Edit: It also seems crazy that Kleeneze would (seemingly) deliberately allow multiple agents to cover the same area, thus increasing the risks of catalogues being stolen and loss of business in the long run.

sarahriches1983

Why Mothballswallet? kleeneze doesnt care how many agents there are covering one area..Doesnt matter how many catalogues/orders get stolen...the money all goes into their fatcat pockets.

Kleeneze is the biggest blag iv had the misfortune to come across.

Jo_F

Kleeneze have no say or control over where distributors go, they provide the catalogues and products, it's up the distributors where they trade, basically because as a distributor you are running your own business, not working for KZ.

Saying that, they do take a dim view of catalogue thefts by other distributors, I had this problem when I was doing it, I passed all the information I had up my line, and it was dealt with, luckilly the guy stopped before we had to bring KZ into it.

But the current distributor here is having her catalogues pinched, and the guy doing it is also taking catalogues from another drstributor, I think it has got to point where the uplines have had to bring KZ in to the matter, I have to admit that I am not all that sure what happens, but I think I did hear that KZ can and will suspend the account.

MothballsWallet

So, do K have any protocols/guidelines in place for the situations where they do have several agents covering one area and for handling reports of catalogue thefts?

Jo_F

KZ can;t do anything about how many distributors are covering an area, like I say you are not employed by KZ, you run your own business. So it's up to you where you go.

But if catalogues are being stolen, and you have proof, then go to your gold upline, give all the information to them and they will contact the other persons gold upline and start from them. This was all that was needed when I had cat losses to another person. I had statements from customers backing up that he was taking my catalogues.

As to what happens between the golds, I really don't know.

savemoney

Any catalogues I get go in bin, its that simply

I resent people who try and sell at my home that goes for anything, Kleezyscam is by biggest bugbear because the company doesn't give a damn who delivers in your area. The distributors are unable or too lazy to read notes I leave to not post there crap.

I hope this companies goes bust basically I don't give a damn there are parasites preying on vulnerable people more often than not, or those who are desperate to make some money and missold a scam

They have no morals at all.

sarahriches1983 wrote: »

Why Mothballswallet? kleeneze doesnt care how many agents there are covering one area..Doesnt matter how many catalogues/orders get stolen...the money all goes into their fatcat pockets.

Kleeneze is the biggest blag iv had the misfortune to come across.

brian09tt

MothballsWallet wrote: »

So, do K have any protocols/guidelines in place for the situations where they do have several agents covering one area and for handling reports of catalogue thefts?

In a word “NO” would be the answer to that question, its everyman…or woman for themselves…I was a Gold and had instances reported to me by my team, even cases where the customers involved were willing to back up the agent concerned and say that another agent had taken the catalogues….to say that Kleenezes response was muted was an understatement….Bad Press maybe, they don’t want it known that sometimes it’s a battlefield out there at times.
I lost quite a few agents to bully boy tactics ….its very hard to prove when there are so many agents coming and going, some areas can have 2 or 3 agents start and quit in a month (that’s personal experience talking).
I had one case where 2 children collected over 120 catalogues of a 200 drop from doorsteps and threw them in a pond, rumour’s were that another agent had slipped them a couple of pounds to do it….couldn’t prove it and the lady quit soon after I’m afraid!

MothballsWallet

Jo and brian: ok, so you run your own business, but I thought you were under the K "umbrella", representing them, but no guidance on taking on areas where there are other distributors.

I'm sure other firms like Citroen (to name but 1), who can also have multiple agents in a given area to sell their cars will have some form of guidelines as part of the dealership packs sent out to new firms who get to sign up as dealers.

If they don't, then I am surprised that K have lasted so long - it's just common sense to advise your self-employed agents who are under your umbrella that there are certain things expected of them which will reflect back on K: after all, it's their name that is all over the catalogue, not the agent's name.

But then, I can see why Findel bought into them: Findel just seem to have bought out so many of the education- and toy-related brands that I can remember from when I was a kid (although they have not yet bought into as many as Hasbro have done).