Kleeneze

NikkiP_2

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They do exist !!! and only £1.99 plus postage.
Ah , but Kleeneze deliver for free !! :T

EthanM

NikkiP wrote: »

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MICROWAVE-HEATED-ICE-CREAM-CONE-SCOOP-SPOON-ICEMICRO_W0QQitemZ250249985140QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

They do exist !!! and only £1.99 plus postage.
Ah , but Kleeneze deliver for free !! :T

Yup, that one would cost you 25 pence more than Kleeneze and for GeordiJoe to be correct he needs to find it at 70 pence including postage. Oh and a full money back guarantee. Oh and no need to pack and post it back if your unhappy, just hand it to your kleeneze rep on your own doorstep.

You see GeordieJoe has been giving out so much false information, he knows no one can be bothered to refute it all and hopes it will therefore be accepted and achieve his goal of smearing Kleeneze.

He just made this particular point too often and I'd finally had enough and went to the effort of answering him, of course he has no answer for me. Lucky for me it looks like I chose a product that is actually cheaper from Kleeneze even than ebay and with extra benefits

brian09tt

Hi EthanM, I am willing to explain myself a bit more because I think you at least understand both sides of the argument, so here goes…

"most large companies keep the people working for them in the dark on many issues…"
Yes that is true, but I see this as more your work colleagues keeping you in the dark on purpose and for PERSONAL gain

"start to call things lies that are not lies I think you have crossed the line a bit too far."
I am only quoting Kleenezes own EWB etc, They are not in any shape or form expanding into Europe, in fact just the opposite as PETESTAN said Findel wanted to close it all together until the top distributors who I guess, suspect that the UK growth has reached its sell by date, wanted to keep the European option open and were willing to try and fund it themselves…understandable as they have a lot to loose…however, when People state in their websites than European expansion is Kleeneze goal, if not a lie then its being very economical with the truth.

"but personally if figures are down to me this does not mean in of itself the end of opportunity. Facts are at this time many companies have less than favourable sales figures."
As regards the drop in agents and turnover, the first is from Gavin Scott who should know as he is top of the distributors and the turnover is easily checked by just comparing ANY period now by the same period a year ago…
..and OK there is a credit crunch and all that, but pick any period, a few names and check them in an enterprise mag from 3 or 4 years ago they are now all down by around a third.
"If there are less active distributers for whatever reason, then sales figures would be expected to be down even if we weren't in a difficult trading period"

Yes I agree and thats the point I am making, the numbers of agent and thus the lifeblood of Kleeneze is going down like the Titanic...so the turnover will naturaly follow...due to heavy sponsoring using the wrong methods...i.e false promises and pressure to "follow the system" once in.

brian09tt

I have to say I have just read geordie joe long post telling about his time in Kleeneze and I have to say he has been dammed unlucky and some of it I can relate to… although I have never got too hung up about the price of the goods however, more the quality of some of them.

brian09tt

Just as an example I got this statistics from another site, but the figures are correct and these examples are PRE CREDIT CRUNCH, showing the rot had set in well before this year

Kleeneze has 3 main 'legs' whose combined bulk sales accounts for most of their business: Gavin Scott (GS), Chris Mason-Paull(CMP), Freda Fenn(FF).

November (P12 for those in the business) is the most successful - these are the ACTUAL turnover figures for the last 3 years:

2005:
GS: 4,584,278
CMP: 1,724,410
FF: 818,490

2006:
GS: 3,821,392
CMP: 1,351,094
FF: 769,247

2007:
GS: 3,309,174
CMP: 1,107,726
FF: 765,317

Remember, these are the 3 most successful groups in Kleeneze - and if they can't retain their people with over 15 year experience ... what chance do you have?

brian09tt

PETESTAN

As you can see my website needs updating (which I cannot do myself)…

True It must be 3 or 4 years old…are you not making money with Kleeneze if you have been in so many years…we are talking less than £50 to update it probably???

I suspect that Findel / Kleeneze don't really want to be in Germany and Holland as I don't think they have many, if any, other businesses in Europe

WHAT ??? That couldn’t be further from the truth!!!

Findel is the largest dedicated supplier of educational toys in all of Europe..
www.findel-education.co.uk

So why then would a company with a wealth of experience in Europe drop the Kleeneze European expansion like a hot potato within weeks of taking over Kleeneze? ? ?…
..because it was costing money and going nowhere, where as the UK side has a cash flow just selling 1000s of catalogues, they don’t pay any wages out unless there is turnover…so it’s a no loose situation at the moment….. But even though Findel have drastically reduced costs by selling the Bristol site and placing all the stock alongside their own in Accrington and merging the call centres etc…there still are costs involved obviously, when the turnover dips too much, that’s when Findel could pull the plug on Kleeneze.

"[FONT=&quot]We also benefited from a particularly good profit performance from Kleeneze following its integration into our Accrington site.[/FONT]"

OF COURSE THEY DID!!! as I have stated they sold a 4 acre state of the art site laid every one off apart from 1 or 2 and merged it all with Accrington….what a result for Findel, who admit they only wanted “Kit-Bag” & “I want one of those” in the first place

EthanM

brian09tt wrote: »

"start to call things lies that are not lies I think you have crossed the line a bit too far."
I am only quoting Kleenezes own EWB etc, They are not in any shape or form expanding into Europe, in fact just the opposite as PETESTAN said Findel wanted to close it all together until the top distributors who I guess, suspect that the UK growth has reached its sell by date, wanted to keep the European option open and were willing to try and fund it themselves…understandable as they have a lot to loose…however, when People state in their websites than European expansion is Kleeneze goal, if not a lie then its being very economical with the truth.

Hi Brian,
I think you are confusing the situation today, with the situation 4 or 5 years ago when the website was made. Are you telling me that at no time in the past did Kleeneze have a goal of expanding in to Europe or having a 250 mil turnover?
If your not then it's not a lie it's just outdated info, which is a very different thing.

I'm not going to take issue with your argument about being left in the dark as it's a very personal thing, I don't know what your colleagues didn't tell you that they knew and you didn't. Maybe your correct maybe not, I don't know.

EthanM

brian09tt wrote: »

2005:
GS: 4,584,278
CMP: 1,724,410
FF: 818,490

2006:
GS: 3,821,392
CMP: 1,351,094
FF: 769,247

2007:
GS: 3,309,174
CMP: 1,107,726
FF: 765,317

Remember, these are the 3 most successful groups in Kleeneze - and if they can't retain their people with over 15 year experience ... what chance do you have?

Let's assume that these figures are all correct. Although figures can be made to say anything as we all know.
In 2007 Gary Scott turned over £3,309,174 still pretty successful in most peoples book.
Business's go up and down for a whole variety of reasons, for example GS earns an absolute fortune is it possible he is no longer as motivated to work as hard as he did 5 years ago? Who knows what I do know is he is still earning a huge salary and is therefore still very successful.
It is correct however to take note of these figures and with much more information than we have here, try to assess why they are dropping.
My guess is that GS would give different reasons to the ones that you are assuming.

EthanM

brian09tt wrote: »

I have to say I have just read geordie joe long post telling about his time in Kleeneze and I have to say he has been dammed unlucky and some of it I can relate to… although I have never got too hung up about the price of the goods however, more the quality of some of them.

Yeah if this is a truthful account I'd agree with him being incredibly unlucky, I've certainly never encountered such book loss, personally or anyone I know. Also if his upline really responded in such a glib manner I think I'd be stuffing those last 39 books down his throat.

My experience of large numbers of customers not re-ordering is usually the fault of the agent. For example taking too long to deliver, coming across as having a bad attitude, not dealing with returns etc. But hey maybe he was a Kleeneze agent and maybe the story is true and maybe his customers did not re-order and maybe it wasn't his fault and he was just incredibly unlucky.

One thing I do know is GeordieJoes experiences as related to us are nothing close to the norm. If I'd been him there is no way I would have continued earning £30 a week with the work he say's he was putting in and no chance in hell I would have re-started the business again once I moved.

sarahriches1983

Any Kleeneze distributors on here want to buy a retail kit off me? Its brand new, got delivered the other day. I also have another 20 catalogues with all the inserts and bags etc.

iv decided Kleeneze isnt for me as im doing much better with another company