Kleeneze

petestan

brian09tt wrote: »

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Lastly I have to admit that the quality of some of the goods left a lot to be desired and were priced on the high side,

As an agent I agree that SOME items are crap (the dent puller!!) but and don't ask me why, most people don't send them back, I have sold loads of the dent pullers as an example yet I have had only had an odd one sent back, one customer even asked me if it worked and I said I didn't think it did (in a tactful way) but she decided to order one anyway and still didn't send it back. So therefore if Kleeneze sell loads and no one sends them back they will order more unfortunately. :huh:

brian09tt

When you read things like this its worrying which direction Kleeneze is going, its certianly not improved since this report was published...its still heading downhill and I blame the attitude of throw them in and see what happens uplines.

In Kleeneze's interim report regarding the number of distributors it was stated that "the downward trend [of new distributors joining] experienced over the last 18 months - reversed in the second half of the year such that at the end of April it was 13524 (2004 = 13397).

"They had 13524 in September 2005. That's a net increase of 127 distributors since their 2004 report!

That's not really very many distributors to share out amongst the 13000 - 16000 distributors there are at present!! Kleeneze continues to recruit nearly 2000 distributors each month, but the activation and then retention rates of distributors year on year has fallen. Using these figures 24000 new distributors are recruited per annum and in 2005 there was a net increase of only 127. The rest quit. In previous years there had been a decline!

In the interim report it was stated that the number of distributors who put through regular orders fell from 9.6% to 8.5% in 2004.

Building a Kleeneze business for a residual income (money you're paid even if you don't work) is extremely difficult when that income is coming from sales put through by distributors you have recruited, when 99% of them will quit, and when only 8.5% of those who remain generate regular product orders.

There must be a lot of very bad leaders in Kleeneze if it is the case that 24000 new distributors were recruited in one year yet at the end of the year there were only 127 more."

brian09tt

PETESTAN
I have just got this off your advertising website, quite frankly it’s the type of crap that entices people in and sees them fail…
""ordinary people looking for an extraordinary income!""
NOT FOR 99% WHO JOIN
""This opportunity is not an internet based business. It is an opportunity that will allow you to make money from day one - an immediate income. Many internet opportunities require a considerable amount of time and effort to just start to earn a little income.""
The amount of people who can make money from day 1 is remote and KLEENEZE
"require a considerable amount of time and effort to just start to earn a little income”. Especially in the early days

AND THE BIGGEST LIES ON THERE…
""Its goal is to turnover in excess of £250 million by the year 2005""
WELL that didn’t happen did it?? It peaked at just over £100 million around 2005 and now is well below £100 Million
""and rapidly expand in to new territory within the European market place"".
WHAT !!! by stopping printing the catalogues for Holland and Germany and making them use that Irish ones in Euros, removing the Kleeneze conference held in Germany and ANY Kleeneze meeting exept the ones that maybe Gavin Scott try to run???
The turnover for both countries is less than £20,000 a month according to Gavin’s own Figures.

If people like yourself stopped advertising it like this and told a TRUE story, people may have more of a chance in the first place.

Wutang_2

brian09tt, have you been drinking the orange wood cleaner??

brian09tt

Wutang wrote: »

brian09tt, have you been drinking the orange wood cleaner??

I just see :mad: when I look at these websites, when they don't even get close to the true story of Kleeneze itself.
I was conned by one of these websites when I joined and I know countless people who have fallen into the same trap...
"earn £20 to £30 an hour" flyers and cards,"Sack your boss", "leave the Rat-Race", "Earn £2000+ a month" adverts...I did earn £2-£2300 for 3 or 4 months after years in the Kleeneze working 16+ hours a day....and then it all just fades away and you seem powerless to stop it, just try and con ...
..sorry sponsor... a few more and hope they stick around long enough for you to find even more, thats what we were taught over and over again by my sponsors and at Rob's meetings.

Rob used to say at seminars how he got 50+ people in his first year and went Gold in a few weeks....not much said about the fact NONE of them are still in, even though they could see his success at the time ??

I was told by somebody in Kleeneze recently that even Rob's sister quit and she was well up in the business and won some trips, if he can't help his sister god help the rest of you!!

You can make a bit of SPARE income with Kleeneze if you can stand the frustration you have to cope with...bumping into other agents, hassle off your up line about attending the meetings etc and it should be presented in that manor, but I was in it for a number of years, and the amount of people who built a SOLID TEAM are very very few and far between...as the turnover figures say about 1% at best! and I don't accept that the other 99% were lazy....I know I wasn't and neither was the vast amount of people I knew who were in and failed.
Sorry but they are the facts ...not some flashy website soaked with lies!

petestan

brian09tt wrote: »

PETESTAN
I have just got this off your advertising website, quite frankly it’s the type of crap that entices people in and sees them fail…
""ordinary people looking for an extraordinary income!""
NOT FOR 99% WHO JOIN
""This opportunity is not an internet based business. It is an opportunity that will allow you to make money from day one - an immediate income. Many internet opportunities require a considerable amount of time and effort to just start to earn a little income.""
The amount of people who can make money from day 1 is remote and KLEENEZE
"require a considerable amount of time and effort to just start to earn a little income”. Especially in the early days

AND THE BIGGEST LIES ON THERE…
""Its goal is to turnover in excess of £250 million by the year 2005""
WELL that didn’t happen did it?? It peaked at just over £100 million around 2005 and now is well below £100 Million
""and rapidly expand in to new territory within the European market place"".
WHAT !!! by stopping printing the catalogues for Holland and Germany and making them use that Irish ones in Euros, removing the Kleeneze conference held in Germany and ANY Kleeneze meeting exept the ones that maybe Gavin Scott try to run???
The turnover for both countries is less than £20,000 a month according to Gavin’s own Figures.

If people like yourself stopped advertising it like this and told a TRUE story, people may have more of a chance in the first place.

As you can see my website needs updating (which I cannot do myself), however anyone who replies via it gets the full and proper facts from me.

I suspect that Findel / Kleeneze don't really want to be in Germany and Holland as I don't think they have many, if any, other businesses in Europe but the "Top Upline" / KEC Council or whatever it's called kicked up a big fuss when they first announced they were going to pull out so to keep them happy they stayed (for now), and I agree with you the cat's should be in Dutch and German but if the orders are only at the level they are now that makes it easier for them to pull the plug on Holland and Germany when they finally decide they will.
Given the changes that have been happening lately and the credit crunch I wouldn't surprise me if it happened sooner rather than later but that is obviously guess work on my part, possibly they will stay to the New Year then pull out.

As for Kleeneze's turnover I have no idea if it has gone up or down as it is all lumped in with all the other "home shopping" companies in Findel's accounts and there is no individual company breakdown so how you know their turnover is down please enlighten me.
The only thing I can find is a quote in their financial statement to the city that says:

"[FONT=&quot]We also benefited from a particularly good profit performance from Kleeneze following its integration into our [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Accrington[/FONT][FONT=&quot] site.[/FONT]"

Yes you WILL make money from day one as IF you collect the cat's that you put out you WILL get orders and as you should know the more cat's you put out the more orders you get and hence you will get your start up fee back and make a profit, yes you have to go back for some cat's 3 or 4 times and some people will throw them away but you cross them off and don't lose the cat. there again, cheers, Pete.;)

geordie_joe

Jo_F wrote: »

Awww don't be a spoilsport, I have had 4 hours sleep in the last 24 hours, and am not likely to be going to bed till at least 4am,

Are you bragging or complaining?

Jo_F wrote: »

I for one would like to know exactly how on earth you are going to rip to shreds the post,

Because it came straight from the PP presentation they showed me. Fair enough, maybe you took notes and followed it to the letter, but you still failed to mention the one point they never mention. How and why do people buy the over prices cr*p that's in the catalogues?

I'm sorry, but your average person will not pay five time the price of goods. Some will once or twice if they have never seen a K book before, but they soon learn that buying from it is a waste of money.

Jo_F wrote: »

everything I have said is a truthful account of how I ran my business, and how I went about doing it.

Maybe it was, and maybe you are just quoting what you were told. But either way you have not explained why so many people will buy, timeand time again, stuff that is way over price.

Jo_F wrote: »

And please quit with the £5 bottle of cleaner, Kleeneze is more than cleaning solutions,

Why, do you not like people mentioning the price of the goods they will be trying to sell?

Jo_F wrote: »

I personally have tried the orange cleaner from Poundland, and I may as well have poured water for all the use it was! If people didn't want the products then people wouldn't be buying them.

Nobody mentioned poundland, you can get many branded goods at any supermarket much cheaper. I hardly think saying you tried a cleaner from poundland and didn't like it is a good defence for the prices Kleeneze charge.
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geordie_joe

EthanM wrote: »

This guy has a clear agenda to stop people joining Kleeneze he has admitted as much and therefore facts and truthfulness really don't come into it.

Well I could say the same thing. Some people are actively recruiting kleeneze agents, therefore have a need to defend it so facts and truthfulness doesn't come into their comments either.

EthanM wrote: »

The fact you can't possibly be seeking to recruit since your not with Kleeneze anymore again is irrelevant to geordiejoe your post just doesn't fit with his version of how it should be.

Then again someone could be an active agent and be actively recruiting people then say they are no longer an agent just to make what they say sound more credible.

EthanM

brian09tt wrote: »

AND THE BIGGEST LIES ON THERE…
""Its goal is to turnover in excess of £250 million by the year 2005""
WELL that didn’t happen did it?? It peaked at just over £100 million around 2005 and now is well below £100 Million
""and rapidly expand in to new territory within the European market place"".
WHAT !!! by stopping printing the catalogues for Holland and Germany....

Brian unlike GeordieJoe you at least do know the subject, but clearly you are bitter at seeing your income drop from over £2000 a month to less than £500. I do wonder what you were saying about these "lies" as you built your business.

In any case you are beginning like GeordieJoe to go too far in your condemnation. Your statement above claims that these are the biggest lies yet it is clear for all to see that they are not lies. Did Kleeneze have a goal to reach £250 million? The answer is yes. It is not a lie it's simply a goal that was not met on a web site that clearly needs an update as it's a pretty old goal.

You have some valid complaints but please don't let your frustration and emotions cloud the real issues.

It's interesting how you picked up on a couple of points you agreed with from GeordieJoe while staying very quiet about the many complete false facts that he is claiming. I think you should try and be a bit more balanced.

Regards

Ethan

EthanM

geordie_joe wrote: »

Well I could say the same thing. Some people are actively recruiting kleeneze agents, therefore have a need to defend it so facts and truthfulness doesn't come into their comments either.



Then again someone could be an active agent and be actively recruiting people then say they are no longer an agent just to make what they say sound more credible.

What rubbish, how credible is someone pretending not to be a Kleeneze agent but then tries to recruit you. You will say anything just to back your argument no matter how ridiculous.