Kleeneze

EthanM

Thank you for such a thorough answer, I just hope Geordie Joe will actually listen to someone that has done it and as you and I both know your story of orders from strangers is the norm.

I think it's clear from this thread that there are issues with Kleeneze especially in the area of how and who they recruit but lets not allow people to make blatantly false claims such as it is a Scam, pyramid scheme, only friends order etc. This site should be for useful and accurate information.

EthanM

geordie_joe wrote: »

It backs up my statement that once your friends and family stop buying things get tough. The strangers may buy once or twice, but they soon drop off. You can easily drop 1,800 books to previous customers and not get one single order.

Really!

Did you actually read the post above yours????

Can you find any Kleeneze agent past or present that would agree with the statement you make above? I ask because it's so ridiculous as to begger belief. By the way I believe you have been to a Kleeneze meeting but been an agent not a chance, your knowledge is way too far off base.

Jo_F

geordie_joe wrote: »

It backs up my statement that once your friends and family stop buying things get tough.

Ermm if you read one of my previous posts today, out of over 400 customers, ONE was a member of my family, and that was my Grandmother, she bought calendars each Christmas out of the Xmas book.

geordie_joe wrote: »

The strangers may buy once or twice, but they soon drop off. You can easily drop 1,800 books to previous customers and not get one single order.

I have looked at my customer records, and one customer over the course of two and a half years ordered a total of 60 times (I was doing the drops on a 5 week cycle). She was ordering in between drops and at Christmas was putting a £40 order in each week.

The only customer that ordered less that 10 times was my aforementioned Grandmother.

The averages were 20 orders per customer, and the average spend was £15
(knew it was a good idea to keep that scrap of paper with the figures on :beer: )

geordie_joe

EthanM wrote: »

Really!

Did you actually read the post above yours????

If you mean the one by Jo_F, yes, but I'm off to bed now but I will rip it to shreds tomorrow.

EthanM wrote: »

Can you find any Kleeneze agent past or present that would agree with the statement you make above?

Yes, very many.

EthanM wrote: »

I ask because it's so ridiculous as to begger belief.

No, if I'd replied "Yes, I bet you you £10,000 I can" that would beggar belief.

EthanM wrote: »

By the way I believe you have been to a Kleeneze meeting but been an agent not a chance, your knowledge is way too far off base.

Just between you me and anyone else who is reading, I don't shiv a git what you believe. I am out to make sure nobody else falls for the kleeneze cr*p, and you as an agent looking for new recruits, have to defend it.

You may say you have never tried to recruit anyone in here, but you know that the people who you try to recruit might google "kleeneze" and find this forum. Therefore you have to defend it otherwise they may not join your team.

I am happy that most people can see who has been an agent and who has just joined and fallen for the hype.


You can spout on about how good the business is, and how you get customers, but you can't explain why people will buy things that cost 5 times more than they can get them in their local shop. Putting a catalogue through a letter box will not persuade someone to pay £5 for a £1 bottle of cleaner.

Here's a bet for you, I bet you either side step the above paragraph or just say something like "they do". You won't come up with a plausible reason why someone will regularly buy an item that they can get five times cheaper from their local shop.

Jo_F

geordie_joe wrote: »

If you mean the one by Jo_F, yes, but I'm off to bed now but I will rip it to shreds tomorrow.

Awww don't be a spoilsport, I have had 4 hours sleep in the last 24 hours, and am not likely to be going to bed till at least 4am, please stay up, I for one would like to know exactly how on earth you are going to rip to shreds the post, everything I have said is a truthful account of how I ran my business, and how I went about doing it. By saying you are going to rip it to shreds implies that you think I did it all differently, hmmmm would you like to verify the facts with my children, partner, upline, gold distributor, senior gold senior exec, and so on all the way up to Gill (daughter of one of the orignal Kleeneze door to door sales men, and head of the leg that I was in)

And please quit with the £5 bottle of cleaner, Kleeneze is more than cleaning solutions, I personally have tried the orange cleaner from Poundland, and I may as well have poured water for all the use it was! If people didn't want the products then people wouldn't be buying them.

I will agree that the Cabouchon items are expensive, but that maybe because I make my own jewellery anyway.

EthanM

Jo_F wrote: »

I will agree that the Cabouchon items are expensive, but that maybe because I make my own jewellery anyway.

Lol now if he had claimed that it was easy to put out 1800 Cabouchon catalogues and not get a single order I might just have believed him

EthanM

Jo_F wrote: »

Awww don't be a spoilsport, I have had 4 hours sleep in the last 24 hours, and am not likely to be going to bed till at least 4am, please stay up, I for one would like to know exactly how on earth you are going to rip to shreds the post, everything I have said is a truthful account of how I ran my business, and how I went about doing it. By saying you are going to rip it to shreds implies that you think I did it all differently,

This guy has a clear agenda to stop people joining Kleeneze he has admitted as much and therefore facts and truthfulness really don't come into it.

The fact you can't possibly be seeking to recruit since your not with Kleeneze anymore again is irrelevant to geordiejoe your post just doesn't fit with his version of how it should be.

Jo_F

I have a feeling that this guy was actually a distributor once, but decided that he wasn't going to treat it like a business and so not work at it, he probably gave out about 5 cats to family and they said thanks but no thanks the next time he tried to give them out.

So because it wasn't the get rich quick scheme that he thought it was, he decided that it was nothing but a scam, and it's now his civic duty to put people off before they are sucked in by the big bad monster that is KZ.

Or... he was a rep for EE, and of course that jumped up and bit a few people, therefore anything along the lines of MLM is the spawn of the devil.

Or, he is a disgruntled Betterware rep, restrained by the fact that he is restricted to a confined area, whereas with KZ you can go anywhere and everywhere.

Or maybe he's just a Mr Grumpy, had a theory in his head, and because it's been shot down, by people in the business past and present, he just can't back down. Heaven forbid he should actually admit that he was wrong.

Whatever, I just can't be bothered with him, I know people that KZ worked for, I know people that it didn't work for, it worked for me, and if it hadn't been for one of my kids getting shot at one evening while helping me deliver orders, I would still be doing it now.

It either works or it doesn't, it all depends on the person, the area and how much work they put into it, just like any business really, I do think that people should read from both sides of the fence and then make their mind up from there.

brian09tt

I Have to agree with geordie joe on the points he makes below...

""And that truth is, if you join you will be selling overpriced goods just so the people above you can make money. They will persuade you to join just so they can get a cut of your earnings for a few months. And when your sales start to fall they will tell you it's because you are not working hard enough.""

Like I explained in a post before people are just "thrown into the funnel"so the people above can make some money on them whilst they stay around and if they quit...who cares, they must have been lazy.
And once you quit they ignore you even though whist an agent they were "a good Friend, and mentor"
I had a few hundred customers and yes you end up with about 50% of what you first find , but you constantly loose a few more every month so every now and again you have to go back to blanket drops unless you have a team to make up any shortfall.
Lastly I have to admit that the quality of some of the goods left a lot to be desired and were priced on the high side, however I left because it was an uphill battle the last year or so and the mercenary attitude of my uplines and the way they turned away from you if you were not performing as THEY expected.

petestan

geordie_joe wrote: »

Maybe you live in an area where people are willing to pay a fiver for cleaning fluid they can get from a local shop for under a pound, but most of don't.

£5 for a bottle of cleaner you can get in a supermarket for £1. If people really did pay for that you wouldn't be a K agent, you'd be down the cash and carry buying it for 40p and taking £4.60 profit instead of the small percentage of commission you get from K, which they claw back in charges for everything.

One of my customers told me that one time she ran out of the orange wood cleaner before I was around again so she got a bottle from Tesco's (their own brand).
She then told me when I came round that it was total rubbish and would not clean what she wanted and promptly ordered 2 bottle's of our wood cleaner so she would never run out before I was round again.

Most of Kleeneze's cleaning products are their own brand name so you couldn't buy them from your local cash and carry even if you wanted but if you WERE a distributor you would know that.

Oh and by the way for your information I have been doing Kleeneze for 6 years now and have still got lots of customers that ordered off me the first time I went around and still order regularly off me now.:D