Kleeneze

Jo_F

GeordieJoe, all that I said in my posts was not anything from a presentation, it was exactly how I worked my business, I have no reason to lie, I don't do Kleeneze any more and have nothing to gain from telling lies or otherwise about it, all I was doing was explaining how I did what I did.

You seem obsessed with why people buy things that are more expensive from the KZ books, well why don't you go and ask some people why they do? I for one never questioned why my customers were ordering what they were. I don't do people pysch so have no idea what makes people do what they do. I had customers that had 'standing orders' for some items, so they were obviously happy with the product and the price, and so kept coming back for it.

I also fail to see why I or anyone else should put forward a defence for the prices they charge, obviously they have a reason for the prices, same as any other business, same as I do for my jewellery... I factor in the cost of materials, and the cost for the time/expertise used, yes this makes some of my jewellery look quite expensive, but I am am running a business, and I expect to get back at least my materials and time cost if nothing else.

Why don't you get in touch with someone at Service Centre and ask them why they charge what they do?

And I can assure you that I am no longer a distributor, I left in September 2007, just as the Christmas catalogues were coming out, the situation around me leaving was so great that I didn't even want to stick around for the Christmas period. I will give you the number for the person that was my SED if you would like to clarify with him that I have actually left.

But then none of this makes any difference to you, you see what you want to see, and you see the Kleeneze plan in everything that anyone says, so I fail to see what the point is.

I know how I worked my business, and yes it is the way that a lot of other people do it, hey that might be because it works, as they say, why try to reinvent the wheel? The forumla worked for many other distributors, so I did the same, and it worked for me. I know who my customers were (and they were not friends and family buying out of pity). You can believe whatever you want, but you cannot change things that are/were fact with regard to how I worked my business.

EthanM

geordie_joe wrote: »

I'm sorry, but your average person will not pay five time the price of goods. Some will once or twice if they have never seen a K book before, but they soon learn that buying from it is a waste of money.

Ok lets deal with your continual bleating about price. First I acknowledge that Kleeneze is not the cheapest, but it's nowhere close to as bad as you claim.

Kleeneze brings products to your home, often you may not have even seen a product in the shops that you see in a Kleeneze catalogue. However lets look at your constant claim of it being 5 times the price of regular shops.

I opened a page at random and saw a
microwave ice cream scoop

You place it in your microwave which warms it and then it is easier to use to scoop ice cream. It's price is £3.50 delivered to your door at a time convienient to you. You pay only after delivery and have a full unconditional 30 day money back guarantee. You don't need to post it back it will be collected by your agent and the money given back on the spot.

Ok let me see you find an equavalent deal on the same product for 70 pence to validate your claim???

brian09tt

""Brian unlike GeordieJoe you at least do know the subject, but clearly you are bitter at seeing your income drop from over £2000 a month to less than £500. I do wonder what you were saying about these "lies" as you built your business.""

To be honest its not until you look from the outside after being in it for years and seeing how it operated that you can look at it and see through the lies and deceit …and yes is the honest answer to your question, I totally ignored the falling group turnover and the agent numbers …because you honestly want to believe there is light at the end of the tunnel…so you make excuses and side track any questions that are asked about these things, embarrassing to admit but true, it doesn't help when every time you try and discuss the problems you are concerned about you are just classed as negitive.....I think if they were more open about the business...warts and all, they would not loose as many people because they would know its not always YOUR fault if its not building fast enough ..and no you are not LAZY!!

Most people who I sponsored just took you at your word most of the time, but the last year in the business even the most devoted Kleeneze agents could not ignore the numbers attending the main showcase conferences had HALFED and grew less every time.
I am sorry if I sound bitter but it’s more annoyed about the lack of facts you are told especially in the early days by your “friends” at the top.

EthanM

Having worked in the "real" world I can assure you that most large companies keep the people working for them in the dark on many issues. I'm not agreeing with this, I'm just stating it as a fact. The Government do it too.
I understand where your coming from I really do, but when you start to call things lies that are not lies I think you have crossed the line a bit too far.

Some of the numbers you have quoted over your posts I haven't verified but am accepting that your not making them up, but personally if figures are down to me this does not mean in of itself the end of opportunity. Facts are at this time many companies have less than favourable sales figures. If there are less active distributers for whatever reason, then sales figures would be expected to be down even if we weren't in a difficult trading period.

geordie_joe

Jo_F wrote: »

I have a feeling that this guy was actually a distributor once, but decided that he wasn't going to treat it like a business and so not work at it, he probably gave out about 5 cats to family and they said thanks but no thanks the next time he tried to give them out.

I was unemployed at the time and getting nothing much more than my rent paid for me. I had no prospect of getting another job and Kleeneze was my last hope. I didn't know it was Kleeneze when I answered the advert in the local paper, but a man and woman arrived at my house and gave me all the patter.

I was dead keen to join, but just didn't have the £75 and had no hope of getting it. A couple of days later they came back and said they would pay the £75 for and I could pay it back when I was earning a decent income.

When I joined it was all I had, and I put my heart and sole into it. I worked 7 days a week at it as a full time job. I tramped the streets of Newcastle day and night in all weathers for a year. But every where I went it was the same, put out 100 books and get maybe 6 orders. A month later I'd go back and out of those six maybe two would place a second order.

The third time I'd get no orders

I'd continually look for new areas, get a few orders then they would dry up. Sometimes I would go into an area covered by another agent and find all my books had been nicked. And my sponsor said "Well, if you siad you'd collect the books on Tuesday and they were nicked when peopleleft them out for you, it must mean the other agent puts his books out on Tuesday, and he's found yours. So know you know when he puts his books out you can work out when he collects them and go and nick his"

So I did and half the ones I found were mine with a label with his details covering my details.

In the end I was walking two miles to deliver half a dozen books just because the people had placed an order previously, and then finding few, or none of them placed another order.

I did make money, each time (well most times) I delivered to a new area I got a few orders, but they got less and less until after three or four drops I was getting no orders for that area. In the end I ran out of areas I could deliver to and was about to give up. Then I got a chance to move to Dorset, with a place to live and a job, so I took it.

Only knowing two people in Dorset at the time I thought Kleeneze would would be a good idea. It would give me something to do in the evenings and I might make some new friends. Plus those rich southerners were bound to buy the cr*p I was selling. Being a northerner I was always told southerners had more money than sense.

NO LIKELY! It was worse than Newcastle. Up there I'd lose a few books and some would be left out in the rain or deliberately damaged. But down here almost all of them were deliberately damaged. After dropping 200 books on my first Sunday down there about 160 of them had been deliberately damaged. Most had every page ripped in half, but a fair few had been given to small children to use a drawing books. Most people had opened their front door on collection day and thrown the book as far down the garden path as possible. With the exception of one person, who had took his book outside and nailed it to a telegraph pole that was outside his garden. He'd used eleven nails!

Two weeks after moving here I phoned my sponsor and told him I was giving up. I moved to Dorset with over 500 books and after two weeks I had 39 left. I remember it well, he tried to make light of it and persuade me to continue by pointing out that 39 was the number of the house I was now living in and it was also my age, so it must be a good omen and I should buy more books. I decided to give it a miss.

Please believe me. at the time I joined Kleeneze it was my only hope, I worked very hard and did everything they told me. But putting catalogues through doors and recruiting other people is not enough, you also have to find people who will pay fives more for the items in the catalogue than they pay in the shops. And that is the hard bit they don't tell you about.

Jo_F wrote: »

So because it wasn't the get rich quick scheme that he thought it was, he decided that it was nothing but a scam, and it's now his civic duty to put people off before they are sucked in by the big bad monster that is KZ.

No, I did give it a good go. At the time I had just been divorced, moved into a house with nothing but a few bits and pieces family donated. been sacked for being to drunk to go to work, getting next to no dole money as I'd been sacked.

I wasn't looking to get rich quick or otherwise, I was just at a time in my life where i had reached rock bottom and the only thing I had was Kleeneze. For a year it was the only thing in my life, it was the only reason I had to get out of bed. I did earn money, and it put food on my table, but I was working 12 hours per day seven days a week and earning about £30 per week.

In the cupboard in my bedroom there ar four kleeneze boxes labeled "Dad's stuff" They originally contained catalogues but were used when I, and my daughter in law moved to Dorset. I see them almost ever day. Sometime I think "If it wasn't for Kleeneze you would never have survived".

But then I think "Give over, you were working 12 hours a day 7 days a week for around £30, if you hadn't been doing that you would have found something better. Even if you didn't you still would have survived".

So yes, I do have an agenda to prevent people from signing up to Kleeneze. But that is from experience, the patter they give you sounds good but it covers up the fact that people won't but the goods. A few people do buy something, but they soon see it is over priced rubbish and stop. You have to continually go further and further to find a customer who will buy something.

As one agent said, "you can't make any real money from selling, you have to get into sponsoring". But that is just as hard work.

The one thing they don't tell you is the price of the stuff you will be trying to sell. And that is the things that lets it down. Your putting catalogues through doors and people are looking at them, well a few do, and thinking "Oh, there's a shower in here and I need one of them" But the shower is a basic "plug one end into the bath taps and screw the other to the wall and stand in the bath to have a shower. But then they find the Argos catalogue has a much better one , and it's only £9.99.

Then they look at the cleaning stuff and find it's 3 to 5 times more than they can get it in tescos. So the Kleeeneze book (to them) becomes a joke, full of over priced stuff and they won't buy anything from it.

You also get those who look at the wierd and wonderful gadgets that the catalogue tells them they can't live without. So they pay £5 for a banana peeler and five minutes after it is delivered they find it is a waste of time and go back to peeling them by hand. And from then on the K catalogue is full of useless gadgets that aren't worth buying. So they never place another order.

Jo_F wrote: »

Or... he was a rep for EE, and of course that jumped up and bit a few people, therefore anything along the lines of MLM is the spawn of the devil.

Don't know what EE is, and yes anything along the lines of MLM is the spawn of the devil. Why should I, or anyone else make money off the backs of other people?

The sad thing is, if K didn't pay so much to to the upline they could put their prices down and more people would actually give their products a try. That won't make their products any better, but you'd have more chance of them buying a £1 bottle of cleaner for £2 than you have for £5.

Jo_F wrote: »

Or, he is a disgruntled Betterware rep, restrained by the fact that he is restricted to a confined area, whereas with KZ you can go anywhere and everywhere.

Not likely, I'm not pushing books thorough doors again for anybody

As for going anywhere and everywhere with K, you can't. Sooner or later you encroach on another agents patch and they steal your books.

Jo_F wrote: »

Or maybe he's just a Mr Grumpy, had a theory in his head, and because it's been shot down, by people in the business past and present, he just can't back down. Heaven forbid he should actually admit that he was wrong.

I have given Kleeneze a good try, and you claim to have too. I will no more admit that my experience was wrong than you will.

Some of us are not lucky enough to live in an area where people will continually buy over priced product.

Jo_F wrote: »

Whatever, I just can't be bothered with him, I know people that KZ worked for, I know people that it didn't work for, it worked for me, and if it hadn't been for one of my kids getting shot at one evening while helping me deliver orders, I would still be doing it now.

B*llocks! Nobody shot at your kid because they were the son/daughter of a Kleeneze agent.

Jo_F wrote: »

It either works or it doesn't, it all depends on the person, the area and how much work they put into it, just like any business really, I do think that people should read from both sides of the fence and then make their mind up from there.

No, it does not depend on the person, area and how much they work. It depends entirely on whether the people behind the letter boxes are willing to pay 5 times more than they need to for the products.

geordie_joe

EthanM wrote: »

What rubbish, how credible is someone pretending not to be a Kleeneze agent but then tries to recruit you. You will say anything just to back your argument no matter how ridiculous.

That's not what I meant and you know it.

What I meant was some people may try to recruit people. The people being recruited may do a google search for Kleeneze to find out more information.

They may just come across a forum such as this with people saying don't join. So the recruiter has to come in and defend Kleeneze so the person who is being recruited gets both sides of the story.

It may not do that particular recruiter any good, but if you are recruiting for kleeneze you have to defend it where you can. You can't sit back and just let people slag it off, can you? Otherwise one day you will be telling them how good it is and they will come back with a forum full of people saying how bad it is.

Jo_F

geordie_joe wrote: »

B*llocks! Nobody shot at your kid because they were the son/daughter of a Kleeneze agent.

It wasn't because I was a KZ distributor, it was unruly kids messing about with air rifles and my son got shot by one, it just happened that it was while my son was out with me helping me with orders. I made the decision that putting my kids in danger while they were helping me with something just wasn't worth it, it didn't matter what the something was, I just wasn't doing it any more.

You want to dispute the fact that he was shot at and hit? do you want a copy of the police report on the matter?

geordie_joe

EthanM wrote: »

Ok lets deal with your continual bleating about price. First I acknowledge that Kleeneze is not the cheapest, but it's nowhere close to as bad as you claim.

Kleeneze brings products to your home, often you may not have even seen a product in the shops that you see in a Kleeneze catalogue. However lets look at your constant claim of it being 5 times the price of regular shops.

I opened a page at random and saw a
microwave ice cream scoop

You place it in your microwave which warms it and then it is easier to use to scoop ice cream. It's price is £3.50 delivered to your door at a time convienient to you. You pay only after delivery and have a full unconditional 30 day money back guarantee. You don't need to post it back it will be collected by your agent and the money given back on the spot.

Ok let me see you find an equavalent deal on the same product for 70 pence to validate your claim???

Forgive me if I am wrong, but have you just said that Kleeneze sell a spoon for ice cream that you can microwave, to warm it up and make scooping out the ice cream from the tub easier?

If I have read your post right, is that not the most useless gadget you have ever seen? And they want £3.50 for it.

Trust me, anyone who is capable of getting the ice cream tub out of the freezer is well capable of getting the ice cream out of the tub without having to resort to microwaving the bl**dy spoon.

I'm off to bed now, I start work at 7.30am, but I will laugh myself to sleep at the thought of people microwaving a spoon before they dig out the ice cream.

EthanM

geordie_joe wrote: »

Forgive me if I am wrong, but have you just said that Kleeneze sell a spoon for ice cream that you can microwave, to warm it up and make scooping out the ice cream from the tub easier?

If I have read your post right, is that not the most useless gadget you have ever seen? And they want £3.50 for it.

Trust me, anyone who is capable of getting the ice cream tub out of the freezer is well capable of getting the ice cream out of the tub without having to resort to microwaving the bl**dy spoon.

I'm off to bed now, I start work at 7.30am, but I will laugh myself to sleep at the thought of people microwaving a spoon before they dig out the ice cream.

Lol and there you have it, the best answer GeordieJoe could come up with was no answer. Surprise surprise:rotfl:

Jo_F

Well i have to say, given some of the supposed 'soft scoop' ice cream available these days, I sure could do with one of them, must mention it next time my KZ girl comes round, I'm sick of distorting scoops and spoons trying to get some out.

Night night GeordiJoe, hope you hae a good sleep hun xx