Kleeneze

EthanM

sarahriches1983 wrote: »

Any Kleeneze distributors on here want to buy a retail kit off me? Its brand new, got delivered the other day. I also have another 20 catalogues with all the inserts and bags etc.

iv decided Kleeneze isnt for me as im doing much better with another company

Much better???
But you haven't done anything with Kleeneze.

Anyhow are you aware you have a 14 day moneyback guarantee, you can get all your money back, just talk to the person that recruited you, they make no money from the kit you have and so if your not going to do the business it's no skin of their nose to help you get your money back.

sarahriches1983

excuse me but i bought a 2nd retail kit after losing over half ofthe other books after people threw them in the bin or other retailers collected them. iv done plenty thanks very much.

NikkiP_2

EthanM wrote: »

Let's assume that these figures are all correct. Although figures can be made to say anything as we all know.
In 2007 Gary Scott turned over £3,309,174 still pretty successful in most peoples book.
Business's go up and down for a whole variety of reasons, for example GS earns an absolute fortune is it possible he is no longer as motivated to work as hard as he did 5 years ago? Who knows what I do know is he is still earning a huge salary and is therefore still very successful.
It is correct however to take note of these figures and with much more information than we have here, try to assess why they are dropping.
My guess is that GS would give different reasons to the ones that you are assuming.

In the interests of 100% accuarcy.
I assume you mean Gavin Scott ?
He doesnt earn a salary, that implies he is employed by Kleeneze. he is not.
He earns commission on his own retail sales, that is if he puts any books out.
He earns a volume bonus based on other people sales.
He earns a royalty bonus based on other people sales.

I think the incentive has gone for the big earners, they have made their money and while they are now earning less than they were it is still a lot of money.
It is unlikely that anyone joining now will earn what they have done although a good income can be made.

Strange I find myself on both sides of this arguement/discussion !!

brian09tt

If your not then it's not a lie it's just outdated info, which is a very different thing.

I'm not going to take issue with your argument about being left in the dark as it's a very personal thing, I don't know what your colleagues didn't tell you that they knew and you didn't. Maybe your correct maybe not, I don't know.



True I accept your point, but…is it not stretching the facts a tad when people are still trying to recruit people using 5 year old information that everybody who has been in Kleeneze more than a few months knows is not the case and in fact just the opposite is now true? ?
I think the “business Builders” are being a little unfair on the people who they bring into Kleeneze and I know in some cases sell the European Expansion angle….again
Ethan I am just saying that the Kleeneze would stand a better chance if the truth was more readily available, granted quite as many people may not join, but the ones that did would be armed with CURRENT facts and have more of a fighting chance …would you agree??

Brian

EthanM

brian09tt wrote: »

If your not then it's not a lie it's just outdated info, which is a very different thing.

I'm not going to take issue with your argument about being left in the dark as it's a very personal thing, I don't know what your colleagues didn't tell you that they knew and you didn't. Maybe your correct maybe not, I don't know.



True I accept your point, but…is it not stretching the facts a tad when people are still trying to recruit people using 5 year old information that everybody who has been in Kleeneze more than a few months knows is not the case and in fact just the opposite is now true? ?
I think the “business Builders” are being a little unfair on the people who they bring into Kleeneze and I know in some cases sell the European Expansion angle….again
Ethan I am just saying that the Kleeneze would stand a better chance if the truth was more readily available, granted quite as many people may not join, but the ones that did would be armed with CURRENT facts and have more of a fighting chance …would you agree??

Brian

Brian I think you know I agree, my point was simply that it wasn't a lie. I don't actually believe that someone who has the wrong idea of Kleeneze's target of turnover it's unlikely to affect them, in most cases neither would euoropean expansion although in some cases it could.
However I think on the main point of honesty and transparency we are in full agreement.

EthanM

NikkiP wrote: »

In the interests of 100% accuarcy.
I assume you mean Gavin Scott ?
He doesnt earn a salary, that implies he is employed by Kleeneze. he is not.
He earns commission on his own retail sales, that is if he puts any books out.
He earns a volume bonus based on other people sales.
He earns a royalty bonus based on other people sales.

I think the incentive has gone for the big earners, they have made their money and while they are now earning less than they were it is still a lot of money.
It is unlikely that anyone joining now will earn what they have done although a good income can be made.

Strange I find myself on both sides of this arguement/discussion !!

Thank you for highlighting my appalling use of the word salary, when I should have said commision, thankfully your post should have cleared up all the confusion.

geordie_joe

EthanM wrote: »

Yeah if this is a truthful account I'd agree with him being incredibly unlucky, I've certainly never encountered such book loss, personally or anyone I know. Also if his upline really responded in such a glib manner I think I'd be stuffing those last 39 books down his throat.

Just popped in so haven't caught up yet.

It is a small town in Dorset, and a few weeks after moving here I heard the place had been saturated with Kleeneze agents and most people do what ever they can to discourage any more.

It wasn't just Kleeneze, I've seen Betterware books thrown in the street too. I guese people here just don't like stuff coming through their door.

EthanM wrote: »

My experience of large numbers of customers not re-ordering is usually the fault of the agent. For example taking too long to deliver, coming across as having a bad attitude, not dealing with returns etc. But hey maybe he was a Kleeneze agent and maybe the story is true and maybe his customers did not re-order and maybe it wasn't his fault and he was just incredibly unlucky.

I don't think it was my fault, I always delivered on time and was very friendly and polite. Deliveries were always passed on the customer on they day I received them, even when it meant going back several times to catch them in.

EthanM wrote: »

One thing I do know is GeordieJoes experiences as related to us are nothing close to the norm. If I'd been him there is no way I would have continued earning £30 a week with the work he say's he was putting in and no chance in hell I would have re-started the business again once I moved.

As I said, I had nothing else. I had a rented house with the bare minimum of furniture from a social security charity place. My rent and council tax was paid for me but I only got income support equivalent to 40% of dole money because I had been sacked.

I really did try hard, I was desperate for the money and also had nothing else in my life, not even a TV!

When I moved to Dorset I had a job, but still had the same furniture I had in Newcastle. I had hoped doing Kleeneze down here would bring me enough extra money to get back to a reasonably comfortable home. But the people down here don't like it, and make d*mn sure the Kleeneze agent knows it too.


As for my sponsor, he was actually OK, he did give me a lot of help and encouragement. Even picked me up and drove me to the seminars to save my bus fare. When I phoned him he wasn't prepared for the call, and must have knew that if I was giving up it must be bad.

To be honest, I was more worried about the £75 I owed him, as I had never earned enough to pay him back. The deal was I would pay him anything I earned over £60 per week, and I never once earned £60 or more. Anyway, he said he had parted company with the woman and as far as he was concerned any agreement from that partnership was dead and buried. So I never did pay him the money back.

EthanM

Ok well unless your a master story teller, then I have to admit your story has a ring of truth. In which case you have definitely had it really tough and been very unfortunate. I truly hope you get yourself sorted and financially stable.

brian09tt

Again this is from another site, but you can see this is one of 1000s of people who feel they have been totally miss sold the business and when they realise, it hits them hard and knocks them out of Kleeneze…and gives it a bad name.

"I am not sure how Kleeneze has escaped the attention of the Advertising Standards Authority.

Most of the distributors say, or at least imply, that £1 per door is attained immediately. As someone who knows something about this business, I would put the average for a starter at 65p per door, they usually also fail to state that not all catalogues are retrieved even after 2 attempts and the losses of around 10% will be suffered.

This changes a reasonable, theoretical, hourly rate to something very different especially when you consider that they substantially understate the hours required, they usually mention only delivery and pick up time, there is also chasing 'straggler' catalogues and bagging up the catalogues (very time consuming) and record keeping which is vital. A new starter is lucky to earn £1.20 per hour and this will take months to improve upon."

brian09tt

Is this why Kleeneze is where it is today ??

The idea of sponsoring ten people, who in turn each sponsor ten people, would very quickly lead to saturation of the market. (Rob Forster’s system)

Which would lead to a drop in turnover and agents…sound familiar??

A traditional business will be careful to match its sales staff to the market otherwise they will have over employed people to sell to a market that isn't there; a costly mistake to be avoided.

Which would lead to too many agents in the same area…sound familiar??

Kleeneze has saturated their potential market. The problem is that because new members to Kleeneze pay to join, and continue to pay…i.e. catalogues, there is always a supply of money flowing into the company. This money is not now raised by product sales alone.

Maybe why Findel have not pulled the plug, even though it’s declining year on year ??