Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

I'm not sure how you "bow whichever way the wind blows" to achieve "hard left power ambitions." As the two are rather mutually exclusive.

Moving back to logical consonance, Corbyn has been an MP for decades and his views have remained virtually unchanged the entire time. If you didn't like them in the early 80s, which was when most of you made up your minds on Europe, you won't like them now.

Brexiteers' self aggrandised opinions that you are some kind of guardians of Britishness, who alone can see the threat of Germany / the EU / the Communists / Atheists, is just part of your general delusion.

What do you mean his long term EU scepticism?

Lungboy

Corbyn has always been against the single market I think.

Good news on the export front.

mayonnaise

2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-millions-leave-voters-best-for-britain-no-deal-theresa-may-conservative-government-a8521346.html

[STRIKE]17,410,742 [/STRIKE] 14,810,742

Graham_Devon

mayonnaise wrote: »

2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-millions-leave-voters-best-for-britain-no-deal-theresa-may-conservative-government-a8521346.html

[STRIKE]17,410,742 [/STRIKE] 14,810,742

It's based on 15,000 people only.

It was promoted by the Campaign Group "Best for Britain". Clearly, a campaign group is likely to be followed by those who, in general, agree with the campaign.

It concluded, from 15,000 people, that 2.6m who voted to leave have changed their minds. But what you don't state (or calculate) is that they also conclude that 960,000 who voted remain would now switch the leave.

Biggest problem is, you can't actually find the results to see what questions were asked.

Not saying it's wrong, just saying that it all seems a little too "loaded" for me. A stop brexit campaign group, conducting their own poll, is able to show people have changed their minds. Great stuff, the correct answer..... But we can't see anything further than that (or at least I can't find the results).

ben501

mayonnaise wrote: »

2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum

Irrelevant since 100%** of UK voters don't want another referendum




**based on a recent poll of 4 people, 2 who voted leave & 2 remain.

mayonnaise

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's based on 15,000 people only.

A polling sample of 15,000 is quite large actually.
Most MORI, YouGov, ICM, etc...polls usually have a polling sample of 1000 to 2000.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Not saying it's wrong, just saying that it all seems a little too "loaded" for me. A stop brexit campaign group, conducting their own poll, is able to show people have changed their minds. Great stuff, the correct answer..... But we can't see anything further than that (or at least I can't find the results).

No stop brexit campaign group has conducted their own poll.

lisyloo

ben501 wrote: »

Irrelevant since 100%** of UK voters don't want another referendum

**based on a recent poll of 4 people, 2 who voted leave & 2 remain.

Out of interest do any of them want to change their vote?
I don't know of anyone that does although of course some may have died.

ben501

mayonnaise wrote: »

A polling sample of 15,000 is quite large actually.

No stop brexit campaign group has conducted their own poll.

Except that

It was based on two YouGov polls that together surveyed more than 15,000

So a survey for a pro EU campaign group, reported in a pro EU tabloid, using third party data.


They're making good use of the surveys, presumably the same 2 that were mentioned almost a month ago. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/more-than-100-pro-leave-constituencies-switch-to-remain


Perhaps if they told us which surveys they were playing with, we could conduct our own analysis. I bet we could all make the figures suit our own agendas.


Forgive for not taking it seriously.

mrginge

It would be interesting to know how many people took part in both polls.

Graham_Devon

mrginge wrote: »

It would be interesting to know how many people took part in both polls.

This is the problem - we don't know what polls they were, or what was asked.

Didn't even know it was two polls put together (which is a farce in itself).

I don't doubt that people who voted leave will have changed to remain. But I believe a fair amount of people will have switched the other way too.

The biggest change for any second referendum, I believe, would be those who didn't vote last time. Maybe this time they would vote as it was so close last time around. So many times we have talked about all the young who didn't vote, but were bitter about the result - maybe they would swing it massively to remain. Who knows.

All I do know is that these sorts of polls are likely irrelevant when looking at the bigger picture.