Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

antrobus

Herzlos wrote: »

You can if you want. The EU and various EU nations have made it clear they'll accept us. I'll take that over whatever Brexit is.

Really?

I think you are making things up.

Only independent states can join the EU. Scotland is not an independent state, and the EU has made it very clear that it won't even think about accepting or rejecting any hypothetical future state. Such as Catalonia, or indeed Scotland.

If Scotland ever becomes independent it can apply to join the EU. There are likely to be conditions. Such as get your fiscal deficit below 3% first. Sign up to the Euro.

antrobus

davidwood681 wrote: »

I love the irony of some Scots wanting independence for Scotland but demonising those who voted for Brexit

And if you think the Brexit negotiations have proved rather tough, complicated, time consuming, and a right PITA, just wait until you are faced with negotiating Scexit. Thankfully the latter is still hypothetical.:)

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

One day Labour are elitist liberals, next day they are marxist communists.

Come on moby get with it.
Jezza is a Marxist communist, chukka is an elitist liberal.

Have you forgotten the official line that labour is a ‘broad church’??????

Edit:
Let’s not forget that other increasingly prominent faction either -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45401017

Moby

mrginge wrote: »

Come on moby get with it.
Jezza is a Marxist communist, chukka is an elitist liberal.

Have you forgotten the official line that labour is a ‘broad church’??????

Edit:
Let’s not forget that other increasingly prominent faction either -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45401017

500,000 members and rising don't care. Socialism is back despite the smears and lies of the right wing gutter press.

Sapphire

mrginge wrote: »

Have you forgotten the official line that labour is a ‘broad church’????

Indeed, the labour front bench is especially 'broad church'.

'Official lines' from labour mean nothing, especially given that comrade Corbyn is a proven liar and dissembler, who bows whichever way the wind blows in his attempts to achieve his hard left power ambitions. If he ever did get into power, then you would see what his and Macdonald's aims truly are. Good luck with that.

Herzlos

antrobus wrote: »

And if you think the Brexit negotiations have proved rather tough, complicated, time consuming, and a right PITA, just wait until you are faced with negotiating Scexit. Thankfully the latter is still hypothetical.:)

Yet no-one on team Brexit has produced anything as comprehensive as Salmonds white paper.
I also doubt we'd waste so much time see infighting and trying to get a cake and eat it deal. Off the shelf membership or EEA will do.

You guys could leave the EU with no effort, once you figure out what deal you want to get.

Herzlos

Sapphire wrote: »

Indeed, the labour front bench is especially 'broad church'.

'Official lines' from labour mean nothing, especially given that comrade Corbyn is a proven liar and dissembler, who bows whichever way the wind blows in his attempts to achieve his hard left power ambitions. If he ever did get into power, then you would see what his and Macdonald's aims truly are. Good luck with that.

This Conrad Cobyn stuff really doesn't help your credibility. Spewing out daily mail catchphrases doesn't make it true or a co polling argument.

A proven liar? With what?
I'd he's a proven liar, how do you feel about May?

Sapphire

Herzlos wrote: »

This Conrad Cobyn stuff really doesn't help your credibility. Spewing out daily mail catchphrases doesn't make it true or a co polling argument.

A proven liar? With what?

Typical: can't raise any decent arguments, so accuse people (whether overtly or covertly) of one of the many 'isms', of which there is a rather large choice these days (racism is a common one, then fascism).

I really don't have time to find information for you that is freely available.

antrobus

Herzlos wrote: »

Yet no-one on team Brexit has produced anything as comprehensive as Salmonds white paper....

What's that got to do with negotiations?

Herzlos wrote: »

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I also doubt we'd waste so much time see infighting and trying to get a cake and eat it deal.

You mean to say when the UK says, your share of the national debt is £200 bn at 5% plus RPI, Scotland is going to say, yeh fine, where do we sign?

Herzlos wrote: »

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Off the shelf membership or EEA will do.

There is no 'off the shelf membership' of the EU. You apply and the EU goes through the process. It took Croatia three years.

Neither is there an 'or EEA' option. EU members are obliged to apply for EEA membership. EFTA members can please themselves. Only EU and EFTA members can join the EEA.

Herzlos wrote: »

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You guys could leave the EU with no effort, once you figure out what deal you want to get.

One, it's 'us guys' because the whole of the UK is leaving the EU.

Two, yes it's quite easy, because the Lisbon Treaty contains an exit provision. Which has been triggered.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-European-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html

The Treaty of Union has no exit provision. Undoing it therefore requires the agreement of both parties.

You haven't really thought this through have you?

Arklight

Sapphire wrote: »

Indeed, the labour front bench is especially 'broad church'.

'Official lines' from labour mean nothing, especially given that comrade Corbyn is a proven liar and dissembler, who bows whichever way the wind blows in his attempts to achieve his hard left power ambitions. If he ever did get into power, then you would see what his and Macdonald's aims truly are. Good luck with that.

I'm not sure how you "bow whichever way the wind blows" to achieve "hard left power ambitions." As the two are rather mutually exclusive.

Moving back to logical consonance, Corbyn has been an MP for decades and his views have remained virtually unchanged the entire time. If you didn't like them in the early 80s, which was when most of you made up your minds on Europe, you won't like them now.

Brexiteers' self aggrandised opinions that you are some kind of guardians of Britishness, who alone can see the threat of Germany / the EU / the Communists / Atheists, is just part of your general delusion.