Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Tromking

Tee_Maynott wrote: »

I'll laugh my head off if Scotland gain independence only to be told by the EU "we don't want you".

With that in mind, Sturgeon allegedly going cold on her solidarity visit to Catalonia for fear of upsetting Madrid.

Honey_Badger

Lungboy wrote: »

So you don't know then, thanks for clarifying.

Well John McDonnel thinks he’s a Marxist.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCcFjRhiaw

Herzlos

Sapphire wrote: »

I absolutely do know what marxism and communism are

Then why do you think Socialist Labour is somehow both Communist and Marxist as well? I appreciate you've had some bad experiences with such governments in the past, but that doesn't make it the case here.


I guess if you squint hard enough you can try to claim that wanting to nationalize things like the railways (where privatization is a disaster) as being communist, since it's state ownership. But it could also be socialist. Ditto for things like free education, a living wage and health care for everyone.

Corbyn and MacDonald are clearly marxists, and the communist party in this country has put itself firmly behind this alleged 'labour party'.

And the BNP/UKIP have put itself firmly behind the Tories. Neither means they take the views of their support.

Nowhere has communism worked. What it has done is been responsible for the deaths of millions and the impoverishment of populations wherever it has been introduced, with those at the top, of course compliant with the system, living in luxury.

Agreed. Communism only works when people can voluntarily leave the system (like a commune), since humans are too easily corrupted.


But can you claim that Capitalism has worked? Trickle down economics?

Herzlos

Tee_Maynott wrote: »

I'll laugh my head off if Scotland gain independence only to be told by the EU "we don't want you".

You can if you want. The EU and various EU nations have made it clear they'll accept us. I'll take that over whatever Brexit is.

Herzlos

I disagree, things have changed drastically in the last 4.5 years.

davidwood681

I love the irony of some Scots wanting independence for Scotland but demonising those who voted for Brexit

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

You can if you want. The EU and various EU nations have made it clear they'll accept us. I'll take that over whatever Brexit is.

Ah, you're a fan of the Hamish 'doctrine' as regards Scottish independence.
You'll pen post after post claiming that the UK's departure from the EU fold will be an economic disaster, yet Scotland detaching itself from the rUK is somehow benign when in reality it dwarfs Brexit as regards its negative impact for the Scottish economy.

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I firmly believe that Scotland is better off as part of the UK, and the UK is better off as part of the EU.

However if forced to choose between being part of a Union with....

1) The intolerant, racist, declining, isolationist and ever more irrelevant Brexit Britain....

Or....

2) The progressive, dynamic, inclusive, and rapidly strengthening European Union, that also is the Worlds largest Single Market....

I'll choose the EU every time.

So would I if it were true but it's actually one of the biggest loads of tosh that I have ever read. That anyone can describe the failing EU as Progressive dynamic, inclusive and rapidly strengthening defies belief. It's no more than a few words that you've pulled out of a hat that can mean anything you want them to mean.

Tromking

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I firmly believe that Scotland is better off as part of the UK, and the UK is better off as part of the EU.

However if forced to choose between being part of a Union with....

1) The intolerant, racist, declining, isolationist and ever more irrelevant Brexit Britain....

Or....

2) The progressive, dynamic, inclusive, and rapidly strengthening European Union, that also is the Worlds largest Single Market....

I'll choose the EU every time.

That’s mainly rhetorical drivel you’ve written there, if only because Scottish nationalism has a fair amount of the negative attitudes you’ve ascribed to a post Brexit Britain.
Your continued reluctance to compare and contrast the negative effects of Scottish independence to the Scottish economy with that of Brexit is noted.
You can’t on the one hand berate Brexit voters for visiting economic penury on the U.K. and then deny or minimise the negative economic effects of Scottish independence on Scotland.
It’s dishonest.

Moby

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you know what Marxism and communism are? Because Labour is neither, by a long shot.

One day Labour are elitist liberals, next day they are marxist communists.