Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

LHW99

So same rules apply, if you didn’t want Juncker to be President, you could have voted for a party in the European elections that would have opposed his appointment. Apparently not enough people did so.

Only one third of UK MEP's are aligned to the "Comission Majority".
The remaining two thirds are "opposition / non-alined".
If there had been a 2/3 majority in the referendum, for either side, it would have settled our EU membership (or not) probably permanently. As it is, those 2/3 are a very small proportion of the European parliament of 750+ MEP's. Their influence in opposing Junker or anyone else is fairly insignificant, despite representing a significant proportion of UK electoral opinion.

Zero_Gravitas

LHW99 wrote: »

Only one third of UK MEP's are aligned to the "Comission Majority".
The remaining two thirds are "opposition / non-alined".
If there had been a 2/3 majority in the referendum, for either side, it would have settled our EU membership (or not) probably permanently. As it is, those 2/3 are a very small proportion of the European parliament of 750+ MEP's. Their influence in opposing Junker or anyone else is fairly insignificant, despite representing a significant proportion of UK electoral opinion.

So not too dissimilar to our own first-past-the-post system then. Are you advocating electoral reform in the U.K?

ukcarper

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

So not too dissimilar to our own first-past-the-post system then. Are you advocating electoral reform in the U.K?

Not sure where I stand of electoral reform although first past the post is far from perfect proportional representation also has its problem with the situation we find ourselves in now with minor party having undue influence more likely.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Masomnia wrote: »

We get no choice over who is in the Commission.

False.

Commissioners are appointed by the Council of Ministers, which consists of the elected head of national governments, one per member state.

We elect our government, they appoint our commissioner.

If it was a genuinely democratic system that might have tipped me to Remain, but the fact is it isn't. We can try to reform as much as we like but the electorate has no real power.

Of course it's democratic.

But the important thing to remember here is that the EU is not a nation state, it's an intergovernmental union of nation states, and it's power is therefore greatly diluted.

Policy is largely shaped by the elected heads of the member nation states in the Council of Ministers, and the quasi-Civil Service Commissioners appointed by those nation states then draft legislation accordingly, with the further democratic check and balance of a directly elected parliament.

It's a form of democracy that well suits the EU's status as an intergovernmental union of sovereign nations rather than a country.

buglawton

I've consistently found in life that the more middlemen there are between me and a service I receive, the worse that service is.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

buglawton wrote: »

I've consistently found in life that the more middlemen there are between me and a service I receive, the worse that service is.

I've consistently found in life that the smaller and more amateurish the providers of a service I receive, the worse that service is.

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I've consistently found in life that the smaller and more amateurish the providers of a service I receive, the worse that service is.

Ihave found that in the majority of cases the smaller provider have provided a better service. I notice you added amateurish to try and make your point but most smaller provides are not amateurish.

mrginge

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I've consistently found in life that the smaller and more amateurish the providers of a service I receive, the worse that service is.

Wise words from the chief cheerleader for Scottish independence

buglawton

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I've consistently found in life that the smaller and more amateurish the providers of a service I receive, the worse that service is.

Truly odd then, that you've consistently used them.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Theresa May's dance is now known as...

The Brexit Shuffle



Because it's awkward, unnecessary and humiliating for the nation...

Can't believe things are now so bad we have to send our Prime Minister to Africa and make her dance for a trade deal.