Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

As I've said before I voted remain so obviously I would prefer we didn't leave but if you think we could just call the whole thing off without major ramifications I fell you are gravely mistaken.

The thing that has disappoints me is the EU commissioners attitude and their idealistic position and disregard of ramifications of their attitude on member states. There could be a shortage of vegetables and fruit but how do you think that will effect the EU producers and they will be happy to see their produce rotting and their profits disappearing with it.

I find it a stretch of the imagination to be disappointed by the EU attitude to negotiations when it would appear you are happy with the way the British Government have gone about the job.
Have you forgotten that Britain is leaving the EU. The EU have NOT asked Britain to leave.
This rewriting of history is strange, I have even seen Brexiters blame remainers for British ministers not getting the cake.
The Tennis club is NOT going to change the rules to accomadate one disgruntled member who is leaving.

When you think about how British politicians rarely consider the British farmer why do you think that EU27 politicians are any different.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

They might be leaving voluntarily but as the EMA is the regulatory body for the single market for medicines it would be unimaginable that it would remain in a country that is not in the EU.

The interesting part surely is will British courts except the argument that the referendum result is just cause to break the rental contract.
You suspect the ECJ is biased, you are entitled to think that. However this particular legal dispute will first go before British courts.
It will be interesting to follow this story. That was why I posted about it.

Of course it will be a matter for UK jurisdiction but whichever side were to get a favourable ruling, the other would appeal in view of the sums at stake. Would it even end in the UK's Supreme Court and if not, where could it go from there? How could the ECJ reasonably adjudicate when there would be a clear bias? mayonnaise said above that the EMA is subject to ECJ oversight.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

I olso think we could be heading for another referendum but I'm not so sure they will get the result they want.

You may be right. However a further referendum whatever the result is NOT going to heal the division in British society that the 2016 referendum caused.
It is only likely to increase that division and add to the growing racist behaviour that appears to have grown since June 2016.

For the record I am against a further referendum.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

I find it a stretch of the imagination to be disappointed by the EU attitude to negotiations when it would appear you are happy with the way the British Government have gone about the job.
Have you forgotten that Britain is leaving the EU. The EU have NOT asked Britain to leave.
This rewriting of history is strange, I have even seen Brexiters blame remainers for British ministers not getting the cake.
The Tennis club is NOT going to change the rules to accomadate one disgruntled member who is leaving.

When you think about how British politicians rarely consider the British farmer why do you think that EU27 politicians are any different.

I'm far from happy with our negotiation, just as a pragmatist not idealist I'm disappointed that the commission is prepare to cause damage to many of member states, I wonder if Spanish farmers are as happy with Barnier as you are.

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

No deal brexit is a lot more popular than I expected. I wonder if it's skewed by people thinking the fallout is all bluff and bluster?

Also I wonder if they are talking about a literal no deal brexit, or a negotiated WTO brexit.

I suspect that the whole Brexit campaign on both sides before and since the referendum has created a cry wolf mentality.
Why would anyone believe any politician of any colour when so much that is said turns out to be badly timed or just a plain lie.

So a no deal holds less fear to many as it is one side or the othe crying wolf.

buglawton

Daniel54 wrote: »

I doubt the average person in the street has any idea of the complexities involved.As an option,it would require years of preparation,even if it were to be considered a good idea.

A very good piece published today by Ian Dunt addresses impacts on our food chain

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

Every impact is based on the assumption that the EU would practically embargo food in both directions rather than reach a pragmatic agreement. I'm pretty sure that countries that just declared the end to a war between themselves got back to trade more quickly than the EU is likely to, based on the pronouncements coming out of Brussels.

Meanwhile I heard on yesterdays or Wednesdays Today programme that currently, non-EU food imports take an average of 6 seconds per consignment to electronically clear customs.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm far from happy with our negotiation, just as a pragmatist not idealist I'm disappointed that the commission is prepare to cause damage to many of member states, I wonder if Spanish farmers are as happy with Barnier as you are.

Barnier has done his job very well.
I suspect Spanish farmers are just as worried as British farmers as this whole thing is played out and that at a stroke of a pen their business plan could collapse.

I suspect that Spanish producers are exploring increasing sales to other EU countrys. I am not sure what plan B is for British farmers faced with Britain planing on making trade deals with very low cost producers elsewhere in the world.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

You may be right. However a further referendum whatever the result is NOT going to heal the division in British society that the 2016 referendum caused.
It is only likely to increase that division and add to the growing racist behaviour that appears to have grown since June 2016.

For the record I am against a further referendum.

I agree the original referendum has caused many problems and divided the country and personally I don't see anyway forward. I don't blame UKIP or leave supporters for that but the arrogance of remain supporters that were so far out of touch that they though there was no way they could lose.

scaredofdebt

ukcarper wrote: »

I agree the original referendum has caused many problems and divided the country and personally I don't see anyway forward. I don't blame UKIP or leave supporters for that but the arrogance of remain supporters that were so far out of touch that they though there was no way they could lose.

I voted remain as I could see both sides were lying but the leave lies seemed most implausible. Also I thought leaving would be a lot more difficult that we were being told, so erred on the side of caution, how is that "arrogant"?

gfplux

Daniel54 wrote: »

I doubt the average person in the street has any idea of the complexities involved.As an option,it would require years of preparation,even if it were to be considered a good idea.

A very good piece published today by Ian Dunt addresses impacts on our food chain

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

An excellent analysis of the doomsday scenario but I believe it will not come to that.

As the month countdown wether it be December 2018 or January, Feb or March 2019 a deal of sorts will be done. It might even come down to weeks or days.

The other thing I do not agree with is the often stated of huge Lorry, Parks and Jams stretching across the south of England and in Norther FRANCE.
Who can believe a haulage company would commit a lorry laden with goods to end up stuck for days in a jam.
With the prospect of a no deal there would be a rush to get goods in or out of Britain but as the hours ticked down lorry depots would fall silent. Drivers would be sent home. The lorry would NOT be stuck outside Dover or Calais.
In fact some ownerdrivers and companys might ensure their lorry in not land locked in Britain but is inside the EU27.
Who knows, but My money is on no long line of lorrys.