Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Zero_Gravitas

Malthusian wrote: »

I see Herzlos has deployed the "there'll be riots in the streets" argument also beloved of Corbynites. Desperate.

To be strictly accurate (I know, not something that generally bothers brexiteers ), he just said that there would be “huge unrest”, not “rioting in the streets”; and in fact, it was UKCarper who first mentioned “a very large amount of unrest” - although interestingly you omitted to mention that as well...

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

A total lost in confidence in the political system and a very large amount of unrest. Also when crunch comes to crunch I don't feel the EU will let us back in on same terms. The French foreign ministers is not the EU

They'll let us back in on the same terms that every other member state has. Rather than the sweetheart deal we have at the moment where we can pick and choose virtually everything that we want, and opt out of what we don't.

ukcarper

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

To be strictly accurate (I know, not something that generally bothers brexiteers ), he just said that there would be “huge unrest”, not “rioting in the streets”; and in fact, it was UKCarper who first mentioned “a very large amount of unrest” - although interestingly you omitted to mention that as well...

I did say unrest but Herzlos then went on to talk about crime waves etc. Do you really think the 52% who voted leave will just say oh well and leav it at that. I voted remain but my trust has been eroded if you are going to have a referendum you have to accept the results. Even if you were so arrogant you didn't think the result would go against you.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

They'll let us back in on the same terms that every other member state has. Rather than the sweetheart deal we have at the moment where we can pick and choose virtually everything that we want, and opt out of what we don't.

Then this time I would vote leave.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Arklight wrote: »

They'll let us back in on the same terms that every other member state has. Rather than the sweetheart deal we have at the moment where we can pick and choose virtually everything that we want, and opt out of what we don't.

If we leave first then yes that would likely be the outcome when we vote to rejoin later, however if we just rescind article 50 and never leave, then legally we would stay on our current deal with all exemptions remaining in place.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

They have a 25 year lease with no break clause. No one obliged them to sign it. If they had wanted to insert a clause giving them an option to break in these circumstances, their lawyers could have asked for it. They should probably be suing their lawyers instead. I wonder who they are.

That's why I think they have no cause to break the lease. They'll still have the potential to hold the UK liable for forcing them to break it since it's not viable to have the agency outside of the EU.
They are leaving the country anyway, regardless of who does/doesn't pay for the rent.

Herzlos

Malthusian wrote: »

I see Herzlos has deployed the "there'll be riots in the streets" argument also beloved of Corbynites. Desperate.

Did I?

I just said crime will spike as people become more desperate to get food. Would you steal food if your kids would otherwise starve? Bear in mind any price hike in food triggered by supply/demand problems will really hurt those on lower incomes.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

I did say unrest but Herzlos then went on to talk about crime waves etc. Do you really think the 52% who voted leave will just say oh well and leav it at that. I voted remain but my trust has been eroded if you are going to have a referendum you have to accept the results. Even if you were so arrogant you didn't think the result would go against you.

Do you really think the 52% that voted leave will just say oh well and leave it at that if they lose jobs/houses/services/affordable food? These are the ones most likely to be screwed over by Brexit and will feel most betrayed by the lies.

A cake and eat it brexit would only upset 48% of the population. A no deal brexit will upset everyone beyond the dozens with the money to capitalise on it.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Herzlos wrote: »

Did I?

I just said crime will spike as people become more desperate to get food. Would you steal food if your kids would otherwise starve? Bear in mind any price hike in food triggered by supply/demand problems will really hurt those on lower incomes.

It's not even remotely controversial to suggest crime will rise if hard economic conditions result from a no deal brexit, just as it would if hard economic conditions resulted from anything else.

It seems the Brexiteers are just up to their old tricks again, trying to misconstrue that as being 'riots in the streets', just like they lied and said Cameron noting the EU has been responsible for a long period of stability in Europe was him saying there would be 'world war 3' if we left.

They must be getting very desperate indeed if they now feel the need to behave like that again....

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/27/eu-brexit-weimar-britain


'Over the next year or two we could witness the emergence of a rancid, angry Britain: a society riven by domestic divisions and economic difficulties, let down by its ruling classes, fetid with humiliation and resentment. Any such country is a danger both to itself and to its neighbours. This prospect will come closest, fastest, if there is no deal on Brexit and Britain crashes out of the European Union, with what the country's top civil servant has described as horrendous consequences. We have been warned that these could include miles-long queues of lorries at Dover, planes grounded, and the army called in to distribute emergency supplies of food and medicine.'


Brexit is a huge risk. Half the country oppose it and are happy as we are. To make such a huge change away from this you need near unanimity in the country as last seen in the unity to fight Hitler. There is no such unity now! This country is totally divided on the issue. The PM's own plan is dead in the water and it was seen as a betrayal by most brexiteers anyway!
In these circumstances people have to choose, what is worse.... staying in.....or a no deal Brexit. What's wrong with giving us the right to choose our destiny?