Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Moby wrote: »

What's wrong with giving us the right to choose our destiny?

Because Brexiteers only like democracy when it agrees with them, they don't like democracy when it looks like the people voting have changed their minds...

From YouGov this week...

When choosing between remain, chequers, and no deal, the results are 50% remain; 33% leave with no deal; and 17% for the proposed Chequers deal.

When pushed to choose between remain and no deal, voters back remaining in the European Union over leaving without a deal by 55% to 45%.

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

The EMA is subject to ECJ oversight.
As one of May's ridiculous red lines stated there could be no role for the ECJ post-brexit, there is no other option than to move the EMA out of the UK.
They are not leaving voluntarily. Stop making things up.

None of which has anything to do with a landlord/tenant dispute. It would appear to be the EU that is making things up.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

None of which has anything to do with a landlord/tenant dispute. It would appear to be the EU that is making things up.

Has anyone said it's got anything to do with a tenancy dispute?

Herzlos

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

When pushed to choose between remain and no deal, voters back remaining in the European Union over leaving without a deal by 55% to 45%. [/I]

No deal brexit is a lot more popular than I expected. I wonder if it's skewed by people thinking the fallout is all bluff and bluster?

Also I wonder if they are talking about a literal no deal brexit, or a negotiated WTO brexit.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Has anyone said it's got anything to do with a tenancy dispute?

What the hell else is it then? The tenant is refusing to honour the contract with the landlord on pretty specious grounds.

Did you even bother to read gfp's post or is it just your usual kneejerk reaction of siding with the EU however disgusting their behaviour?

buglawton

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/27/eu-brexit-weimar-britain

'Over the next year or two we could witness the emergence of a rancid, angry Britain: a society riven by domestic divisions and economic difficulties, let down by its ruling classes, fetid with humiliation and resentment. Any such country is a danger both to itself and to its neighbours. This prospect will come closest, fastest, if there is no deal on Brexit and Britain crashes out of the European Union, with what the country's top civil servant has described as horrendous consequences. We have been warned that these could include miles-long queues of lorries at Dover, planes grounded, and the army called in to distribute emergency supplies of food and medicine.'

Brexit is a huge risk. Half the country oppose it and are happy as we are. To make such a huge change away from this you need near unanimity in the country as last seen in the unity to fight Hitler. There is no such unity now! This country is totally divided on the issue. The PM's own plan is dead in the water and it was seen as a betrayal by most brexiteers anyway!
In these circumstances people have to choose, what is worse.... staying in.....or a no deal Brexit. What's wrong with giving us the right to choose our destiny?

The Remainers had better whinge on about the design of the Referendum then, that's where the fault lies.

A better choice might have been:
a) Stay in as-is
b) Put parliament back in control of immigration and trade policy which may result in Brexit and a move to WTO if the EU will not compromise on our membership terms.

And a paragraph on the pros of each e.g.
a) This is the simple stay-as-now option. If you are happy with it vote a.
b) This is a complex option that will involve striking new deals with the EU over freedom of movement and trade tariffs. There will be a trade-off between paying a large subscription to the EU and beneficial terms. If you consider regaining UK Parliamentary control over major British social and trade aspects, vote b.

It may be hard to believe that no one saw the consequences of the simplistic referendum question. And that it's taken so long for the government to recognise the bleedin' obvious. Or that the EU's idea of negotiating is to issue dire threats and ultimatums. But, we are now where we are.

Ballard

This isn’t particularly relevant but a lot of brexiteers that I know are also calling for the release of ‘Tommy Robinson’, claiming that his imprisonment is because we don’t have free speech in this country.

Oddly that any suggestion of demonstration against Trump or for a second referendum is met with absolute outrage. The conclusion that I gather is that speaking up for a recidivist is absolutely acceptable but being unhappy with the result of a referendum is not.

I am not saying by any stretch of the imagination that all leavers feel this way but from my limited experience quite a few do.

I don’t particularly want a second referendum either. I’m not at all convinced that the result would be changed if there was one. The powers that be in the media will already be examining stories that they could run should another vote be called so the lies from before would simply be repeated but in greater numbers. Some of the adverts that were on Facebook that have come to light were appalling.

Daniel54

Herzlos wrote: »

No deal brexit is a lot more popular than I expected. I wonder if it's skewed by people thinking the fallout is all bluff and bluster?

Also I wonder if they are talking about a literal no deal brexit, or a negotiated WTO brexit.

I doubt the average person in the street has any idea of the complexities involved.As an option,it would require years of preparation,even if it were to be considered a good idea.

A very good piece published today by Ian Dunt addresses impacts on our food chain

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

Zero_Gravitas

Daniel54 wrote: »

I doubt the average person in the street has any idea of the complexities involved.As an option,it would require years of preparation,even if it were to be considered a good idea.

A very good piece published today by Ian Dunt addresses impacts on our food chain

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

That’s an excellent article - and that’s just food. To a greater or lesser extent, every single industry would be affected in the same way.

And yet somehow “no deal” is still considered a good thing by some people...

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

They are leaving voluntarily. No one is forcing them to go. But no doubt their buddies in the ECJ would back them up.

They might be leaving voluntarily but as the EMA is the regulatory body for the single market for medicines it would be unimaginable that it would remain in a country that is not in the EU.

The interesting part surely is will British courts except the argument that the referendum result is just cause to break the rental contract.
You suspect the ECJ is biased, you are entitled to think that. However this particular legal dispute will first go before British courts.
It will be interesting to follow this story. That was why I posted about it.