Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Zero_Gravitas

ukcarper wrote: »

As I've said before I voted remain so obviously I would prefer we didn't leave but if you think we could just call the whole thing off without major ramifications I fell you are gravely mistaken.

The thing that has disappoints me is the EU commissioners attitude and their idealistic position and disregard of ramifications of their attitude on member states. There could be a shortage of vegetables and fruit but how do you think that will effect the EU producers and they will be happy to see their produce rotting and their profits disappearing with it.

So what do you think these major ramifications would actually be?

At least if was understood what might happen, then at least plans could be put in place to mitigate or reduce the effect of such ramifications - rather than what we have at the moment, where the current government appears incapable of planning on more than a day-by-day basis...

ukcarper

Tromking wrote: »

Reluctantly I have to agree.
No deal will not get past our Parliament and I feel we’re being softened up for another vote, the remarks of the French foreign minister yesterday tells me that’s the case anyway.
Brexit 2019 is dying a slow death.

I olso think we could be heading for another referendum but I'm not so sure they will get the result they want.

ukcarper

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

So what do you think these major ramifications would actually be?

At least if was understood what might happen, then at least plans could be put in place to mitigate or reduce the effect of such ramifications - rather than what we have at the moment, where the current government appears incapable of planning on more than a day-by-day basis...

A total lost in confidence in the political system and a very large amount of unrest. Also when crunch comes to crunch I don't feel the EU will let us back in on same terms. The French foreign ministers is not the EU

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

They are leaving voluntarily. No one is forcing them to go. But no doubt their buddies in the ECJ would back them up.

The UK is forcing then to go by moving their building out of Europe.

That said; I'm not sure they'd be allowed to use that to break their rental contract. They might be able to sue the UK government to reimburse them or take over the lease though. It's not the landlords fault.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

A total lost in confidence in the political system and a very large amount of unrest. Also when crunch comes to crunch I don't feel the EU will let us back in on same terms. The French foreign ministers is not the EU

I think the loss of confidènce in the political system will also happen if the establishment drags is out against all reason because of the will of the people.

There will be huge unrest if there are any food problems. Think of the crime wave if food becomes scarce or expensive. Think of the unrest when austerity kicks in, jobs get lost, we can't travel and so on.

I don't believe we'll get to food rationing; I think this is just priming us for a 2nd referendum or straight remaining.

Basically; May is screwed whatever happens. Just as well she's independently wealthy and can happily retire on a good plated pension in Europe.

mayonnaise

British voters support a referendum on final Brexit deal

The proportion of voters who favour a referendum on the final terms of any Brexit deal has overtaken those who do not for the first time

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-referendum/british-voters-support-a-referendum-on-final-brexit-deal-yougov-idUKKBN1KH0JC

Not that I'm a proponent of a 2nd referendum.
Another campaign with Leave lies, electoral cheating, more of Farage standing in front of posters saying something about Turkey joining the EU, another wave of brexiteer hate crime on our streets...no thanks.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

The UK is forcing then to go by moving their building out of Europe.

Last time I looked London was in Europe. But you often confuse the EU with Europe.

They have a 25 year lease with no break clause. No one obliged them to sign it. If they had wanted to insert a clause giving them an option to break in these circumstances, their lawyers could have asked for it. They should probably be suing their lawyers instead. I wonder who they are.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

I think the loss of confidènce in the political system will also happen if the establishment drags is out against all reason because of the will of the people.

There will be huge unrest if there are any food problems. Think of the crime wave if food becomes scarce or expensive. Think of the unrest when austerity kicks in, jobs get lost, we can't travel and so on.

I don't believe we'll get to food rationing; I think this is just priming us for a 2nd referendum or straight remaining.

Basically; May is screwed whatever happens. Just as well she's independently wealthy and can happily retire on a good plated pension in Europe.

I think the majority of politicians are screwed after all the majority don't want to leave and that includes May but have have had their hands tied by the referendum result.

Although I think we are better off in EU I don't think leav8ng will be as catastrophic as some are trying to make out. I think the remain campaign are making the same mistakes now as they did and instead of emphasising the benefits of remaining in EU they are over egging the effects of leaving.

Malthusian

vivatifosi wrote: »

While I am concerned about the potential impact of a no deal, I'm not going to concern myself about a shortage of water encased in single use plastic when, like everyone else in this country, I can just turn on the tap.

Oh no you can't. We import 95% of all our taps from Germany and Slovenia. When Britain crashes out of the EU all our taps will stop working. The working classes will be crawling through the streets begging for water and we shall say "This is what you voted for" as we sip Evian.

I see Herzlos has deployed the "there'll be riots in the streets" argument also beloved of Corbynites. Desperate.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

They are leaving voluntarily. No one is forcing them to go. But no doubt their buddies in the ECJ would back them up.

The EMA is subject to ECJ oversight.
As one of May's ridiculous red lines stated there could be no role for the ECJ post-brexit, there is no other option than to move the EMA out of the UK.
They are not leaving voluntarily. Stop making things up.