Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

wunferall

Daniel54 wrote: »

Pre Brexit we were one of the fastest growing economies.

Is there any prticular reason why you discount data from eg the World Bank ( using OECD statistics) showing this is no longer the case ?

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=EU

How about because it's now out of date?
:whistle:

Second quarter 2018 growth:
UK = 0.4%
France = 0.2%
Italy = 0.2%

Look it up.



Nobody ever stays at No.1 you know.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

As a pragmatist; what do you think the commission should do?

Here's an idea:
#1 - agree that the UK leaves with no silly bills on either side. For the sake of peace, let's call it "quits".
#2 - agree that all trade between us will be tarrif-free.
#3 - admit that the border between Eire & NI is solely an Eire/EU issue if the UK say they will not introduce hard borders.

How's that?
And - because I already know you won't agree those - explain why these are not or should not be acceptable.

But be quick please.
I've got an early flight & I must get some rest soon.

Honey_Badger

mayonnaise wrote: »

Unlike brexiteers, Spanish farmers will understand that disrupting trade with a UK market of 60 million will be preferable to undermining the single market with a potential customer base of 450 million + worldwide access to several size-able markets, (like the recently EU-Japan (population 120+ million) trade deal removing practically all tariffs).

This 'we are so important' mindset is still going strong I see.

Well perhaps we should consider the French farmers. 11% of food exports from France are to the UK their second biggest market. If there's any fall in their income I can guarantee they won't be reasonable about it. Riots anyone?

I also think you overestimate the support for the EU amongst the populations rather than the elite of EU countries.

https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/FRA/Year/LTST/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/by-country/Product/16-24_FoodProd

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

As a pragmatist; what do you think the commission should do?

Look more closely at our proposals and see if a compromise can be reached instead of ruling them out in public as soon as they are put forward. After all how will a no deal help solve Irish problem although far from ideal I think Mays proposal is better than a no deal.

kingstreet

ukcarper wrote: »

The arrogance is shown by the fact that remain were so confident they would win they made to plans in case they lost if fact if they were not so far out of touch they wouldn't have had referendum in first place. I voted remain because I though that we gain more from being in EU than we lose but I wasn't at all surprised leave won the only thing that surprised me was that We had the referendum and risked everything.

Can we perhaps call those handling the two camps the managers, so they are the leave managers and the remain managers.

People who voted were the lied to, not the liars.

Daniel54

wunferall wrote: »

How about because it's now out of date?
:whistle:

Second quarter 2018 growth:
UK = 0.4%
France = 0.2%
Italy = 0.2%

Look it up.



Nobody ever stays at No.1 you know.

Is ther a reason you don’t give me the courtesy of supplying the source of your statstics ,as I cannot find them

kingstreet

wunferall wrote: »

Second quarter 2018 growth:
UK = 0.4%
France = 0.2%
Italy = 0.2%

I believe that's known as a "taller than Danny Devito" comparison.

ukcarper

kingstreet wrote: »

Can we perhaps call those handling the two camps the managers, so they are the leave managers and the remain managers.

People who voted were the lied to, not the liars.

I should imagine a lot of voters were not as out of touch as remain politicians who passed the referendum bill and unlike them were not surprised when leave one.

kingstreet

ukcarper wrote: »

I should imagine a lot of voters were not as out of touch as remain politicians who passed the referendum bill and unlike them were not surprised when leave one.

I don't think Cameron's motives were ever in doubt.

Our sole purpose was to settle a Conservative party schism Major should have finished off after Maastricht in '93.

ukcarper

kingstreet wrote: »

I don't think Cameron's motives were ever in doubt.

Our sole purpose was to settle a Conservative party schism Major should have finished off after Maastricht in '93.

That doesn't explain why all other parties supported referendum.