Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

dunstonh

You can tell George Osborne is at the Evening Standard just from this headline:

Brexit could lead to spread of infectious diseases such as super-gonorrhoea, health chief warns

It is hard not to laugh at some of these.

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

Benefits of EU membership part #21:

British drivers on a trip to France will find that under new arrangements any fines (and maybe points) will follow them back home. French traffic camera sytems can dip into the UK number plate database.

But... not the other way around. Fines will not follow French drivers back to France.

As detailed this morning at 6:40 on 5Live.

Very interesting as I had thought this was dead in the water for British cooperation.
In the last few years a number of the EU28 were signing up to this.
However I had understood Britain was not one of them and with Brexit I thought it would not happen.
However I am still dubious. Are there any links to other news storys about this. It is Bizaar that a one way street has been signed AT THIS TIME.
Thanks.
Edit.
Your post prompted a little research. Here is some more details.
https://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-enforcement-directive/

What is curious is the U.K., Denmark and Ireland would only take part from MAY 2017.
Now the BBC have a story in July 2018. Strange.

gfplux

More on the Cross Border enforcement directive from the RAC.

I wonder wether the BBC story was misleading. As you can read below there is a mismatch between registered owner and the driver on the day. So it would appear it may be points on a licence will not apply.
However most (commercial) registered owners pass on any fine to their employee, that was definitely the case in my day.
Is this a case of journalist knowing nothing, not thinking, biased, not caring the story is not 100% accurate.
We all have to be careful that just because a person is labled JOURNALIST it does not mean they know anything about the story they are reporting. These are specialist areas requiring specialist background knowledge that the average non specialist journalist can not possess or with a deadline does not have the time to research properly..

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/what-is-the-eu-cross-border-enforcement-directive/

QUOTE
Of course, its right that any UK driver found to be breaking motoring laws in another European country will have to face the relevant penalty as this has been an unacceptable loophole for too many years, but equally, it is also right that any motorist in charge of a European-registered vehicle found to be exceeding a speed limit, or other such offence, in the UK should face the consequences in his or her own country.

Unfortunately the application of the directive is simply not practical. In the UK it is the driver of a speeding vehicle who receives penalty points whereas in France it is the vehicles registered keeper who is deemed to be responsible.

"This means a French person caught speeding in the UK could get away with the offence if they were not the registered keeper of the vehicle concerned, as the French equivalent of the DVLA can only pass details of the offence to the keeper. This may make prosecution extremely hard for UK authorities.

And if a UK driver is caught speeding in France in a vehicle they are not the owner of, they too might get away with the fine as the registered keeper in the UK would be pursued by the French authorities to pay.

"While the keeper can state in response they were not the driver, the big question is: will French authorities pursue and fine keepers who claim they werent driving at the time?
END QUOTE

ben501

gfplux wrote: »

I wonder wether the BBC story was misleading.

I was just about to post a similar comment. The clip can be listened to starting about 51 minutes in.

New report? The only one I could find that you also linked is over a year old!

It's typical journalistic ignorance. As it stated in the RAC report,

This is called keeper liability. The UK – along with countries likes Ireland, Germany, Italy, Spain and Austria – runs a driver liability system. This means that for police authorities in the UK, it may be more difficult obtaining information of the driver if they are from another member state.

So I think buglawton's comment was more accurate in that French law differs. The lazy reporter just generalized, saying 'Europe', when quite clearly (assuming the RAC report is correct) many European countries have similar rules to the UK.

The only countries that could easily benefit are those such as France that hold the owner responsible, rather than the often (I assume) difficult to identify & pursue driver.

buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

Very interesting as I had thought this was dead in the water for British cooperation.
In the last few years a number of the EU28 were signing up to this.
However I had understood Britain was not one of them and with Brexit I thought it would not happen.
However I am still dubious. Are there any links to other news storys about this. It is Bizaar that a one way street has been signed AT THIS TIME.
Thanks.
Edit.
Your post prompted a little research. Here is some more details.
https://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-enforcement-directive/

What is curious is the U.K., Denmark and Ireland would only take part from MAY 2017.
Now the BBC have a story in July 2018. Strange.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bbpdmk#play
Exactly 50 minutes in.

Apparently the intro of smart meters was another example of overzealous UK implementation of EU directives but Ill save that for another post.

vivatifosi

Interesting set of new polls from Sky this morning:

https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shifting-sharply-against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220

Ballard

vivatifosi wrote: »

Interesting set of new polls from Sky this morning:

https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shifting-sharply-against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220

The data on this poll is quite startling but it’s only based on 1,466 people. I would like to see a poll of 50,000 people overseen by both camps so that there could be no claims of impropriety. If that gave similar results then I would change my viewpoint on a second referendum.

If it became clear that a significant number of people had changed their minds then Brexit would demonstratably no longer be ‘the will of the people’ it would simply be a snapshot of what some thought at a specific point.

vivatifosi

Ballard wrote: »

The data on this poll is quite startling but it’s only based on 1,466 people. I would like to see a poll of 50,000 people overseen by both camps so that there could be no claims of impropriety. If that gave similar results then I would change my viewpoint on a second referendum.

If it became clear that a significant number of people had changed their minds then Brexit would demonstratably no longer be ‘the will of the people’ it would simply be a snapshot of what some thought at a specific point.

As with all polls, sample size is an issue. However Sky has been doing these polls for a long time using these methods. What is surprising this time is the degree of change, rather than the actual numbers.

Whether people are leavers or remainers, the lack of faith in the government chimes with most people on here, so it will be interesting to see what gives. It is becoming increasingly clear that the current trajectory is unsustainable and is carrying neither side.

Ballard

vivatifosi wrote: »

As with all polls, sample size is an issue. However Sky has been doing these polls for a long time using these methods. What is surprising this time is the degree of change, rather than the actual numbers.

Whether people are leavers or remainers, the lack of faith in the government chimes with most people on here, so it will be interesting to see what gives. It is becoming increasingly clear that the current trajectory is unsustainable and is carrying neither side.

Agreed but if a second referendum were to be called it would have to be on a sizeable poll. This is such a massive decision for the country but it would have to be proven (as best as possible by a poll) that the mindset of the population had changed significantly. I don’t see that from a poll of that size.

Realistically I don’t think that there will be another vote on the matter but the figures from this poll has made me think that maybe there should be.

fatbeetle

Ballard wrote: »

The data on this poll is quite startling but it’s only based on 1,466 people. .

And all of them Sky subscribers, hardly representative in any way.