Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

wunferall

kingstreet wrote: »

Can we perhaps call those handling the two camps the managers, so they are the leave managers and the remain managers.

People who voted were the lied to, not the liars.

The trouble is that "those handling the two camps" are not the people "handling" either the government or the opposition.

Although you could argue that effectively, since Cameron was a remainer and so are many MP's, that our government were "those handling" at least one camp. It was after all at Cameron's bidding that Obama told the British people the "back of the queue" farce and many other things.

Vote Leave for example was founded by political strategists, not MP's.
Their chairman & leader was Labour MP Gisela Stuart; I will forgive you if you have no idea who she is. Many haven't.

IMHO ukcarper has a very valid point; that our politicians did not expect a "leave" vote and thus had no plan for leaving.

wunferall

kingstreet wrote: »

I believe that's known as a "taller than Danny Devito" comparison.

Try telling that to Mayo & gang who crowed that the UK had gone from top to bottom of the growth chart.

Funny how it's all of a sudden different eh?
:rotfl:

Daniel54

wunferall wrote: »

Here's an idea:
#1 - agree that the UK leaves with no silly bills on either side. For the sake of peace, let's call it "quits".
#2 - agree that all trade between us will be tarrif-free.
#3 - admit that the border between Eire & NI is solely an Eire/EU issue if the UK say they will not introduce hard borders.

How's that?
And - because I already know you won't agree those - explain why these are not or should not be acceptable.

But be quick please.
I've got an early flight & I must get some rest soon.

It’s unicorn land.

When you are on holiday,research how international trade requires legal and regulatory underpins.

kingstreet

wunferall wrote: »

Try telling that to Mayo & gang who crowed that the UK had gone from top to bottom of the growth chart.

Funny how it's all of a sudden different eh?
:rotfl:

Not so long ago, those levels of growth would have been described as "bumping along the bottom and hoping to stave off recession" by everyone and no cause for crowing nor celebration for anyone.

Daniel54

wunferall wrote: »

Here's an idea:
#1 - agree that the UK leaves with no silly bills on either side. For the sake of peace, let's call it "quits".
#2 - agree that all trade between us will be tarrif-free.
#3 - admit that the border between Eire & NI is solely an Eire/EU issue if the UK say they will not introduce hard borders.

How's that?
And - because I already know you won't agree those - explain why these are not or should not be acceptable.

But be quick please.
I've got an early flight & I must get some rest soon.

Chris Grey,a professor at a Royal Holloway,is one of the most considered bloggers on Brexit.Here is the link so you can read and digest while you are away.

http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2018/07/rules-mean-rules.html

gfplux

Arklight wrote: »

They'll let us back in on the same terms that every other member state has. Rather than the sweetheart deal we have at the moment where we can pick and choose virtually everything that we want, and opt out of what we don't.

I am not so sure they will be invited in.
Once out I suspect Britain will have to convince the rest of the members that they are not inviting an enemy into the camp.

Britain leaving is probably one of the most destabilising things that has happened to the EU in many years.
Once bitten, twice shy might be the new EU motto when considering British membership in the future.

buglawton

Benefits of EU membership part #21:

British drivers on a trip to France will find that under new arrangements any fines (and maybe points) will follow them back home. French traffic camera sytems can dip into the UK number plate database.

But... not the other way around. Fines will not follow French drivers back to France.

As detailed this morning at 6:40 on 5Live.

Theophile

Daniel54 wrote: »

The inflection point was not the referendum,but Mrs May /Nick Timothy's decision to set out red lines in the Lancaster House speech which ruled out the soft Brexit option.

Interesting article, thanks.
Shocking how Nick Timothy, an unelected No.10 adviser, was allowed to draft speeches and make the policy decision to turn 'Leave the EU' into 'Leave the EU + SM + CU'.
Will of the people? You're having a laugh.

ukcarper

Theophile wrote: »

Interesting article, thanks.
Shocking how Nick Timothy, an unelected No.10 adviser, was allowed to draft speeches and make the policy decision to turn 'Leave the EU' into 'Leave the EU + SM + CU'.
Will of the people? You're having a laugh.

People voted to leave mainly because they didn't want to be subject to EU courts and freedom of movement, would remaining in SM and CU satisfy that. I wonder how many people who voted to remain would have voted leave if they thougt it meant staying in SM I possibly would have.

vivatifosi

buglawton wrote: »

Benefits of EU membership part #21:

British drivers on a trip to France will find that under new arrangements any fines (and maybe points) will follow them back home. French traffic camera sytems can dip into the UK number plate database.

But... not the other way around. Fines will not follow French drivers back to France.

As detailed this morning at 6:40 on 5Live.

There are some rubbish negotiators out there, aren't there?

Not sure which is worse, this, presumably by the UK government, or The EMEA which negotiated a horrendously long lease on its office in London and didn't even think to include a break clause. Astonishing.