Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

ess0two

Arklight wrote: »

OK, great idea. But lets introduce a policy whereby every Brexit voting pensioner has their pension proportionately reduced to cover benefits for every working age person who loses their job thanks to this nonsense.

Not so keen? No. Didn't think so.

The whole Brexit issue is getting tedious and boring....quite like your replies.

The nation voted, we should be getting on with it, if the EU value us that much,then the ball is in their court.

silverwhistle

What I find wryly amusing yet at the same time quite scary are the people trying to position the remainers as blameworthy for anything bad that might happen. They seem to be following a long line of government ministers who helped cause the shambles but didn't stick around long enough to take any responsibility.



Incidentally BobQ, I'm not sure that remaining would be undemocratic given the movement in public opinion as reflected in the polls. We allow regular general elections where we can protest against a government safe in the knowledge that in a few years time, if we regret our decision, we can change it. The 2016 vote was in many ways a vote against austerity and being ignored by Westminster, but in the longer term this issue is far more important than a single election.



I think the EU have generally been pretty clear over the deal: you can't pick and choose the bits of a deal that you want, the cake and eat it argument. I'm not sure why so many people find that hard to understand.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

All of this is a paranoid delusion that the EU (scary foreigners) hate you for being British (the plucky isolated individual) and work ceaselessly for your destruction.

Oh dear, and here's me thinking that you understood the difference between an organisation and a continent.
Apparently not!
:rotfl:

The EU is an organisation Arklight, which forms a political and economic union of 28 (soon to be 27 ) member countries.
Europe is of course a continent.
Now I personally do indeed dislike the EU, though I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate them.
Neither would I go so far as to say that the EU - or rather it's officials - hate the British which since around 4% of EU staff are British isn't surprising.
Mind you, the tone and language used by Junckers, Verhofstadt, Barnier etc. could sometimes lead one to think that those EU bod's really don't like the British very much.
Which bothers me not one bit TBH because I can't say I like them much either, so that is mutual.


As for the "destruction" bit well in a way you (as usual) get it almost right yet manage to miss the mark completely.
As everybody knows, the EU wants ever more integration with it's member countries.
That in a way I suppose could be said to be the destruction of every member country's individualism since already these countries must abide by the rules as set out and agreed by others, whether they like it or not.

Increasingly frequently now others do not like it either, hence the rise of populism across the EU.
Also hence the dissent in Poland, Hungary, Italy and France too now.
So who are these foreigners scaring?
It certainly isn't us British.


The rest of your post is the usual waffle which TBH makes little sense and isn't worthy of a response.
That said, with seasonal spirit I hope Santa brings you what you truly deserve.

wunferall

BobQ wrote: »

The Government has a strategy to do this? Nah. They have blundered into this by a mixture of infighting and incompetence.

Your last sentence just illustrates that if you make absurd claims it is very easy to win bets against them.

The ironies I see is that those that voted for Brexit predominantly the old and the poor will be the ones to suffer the consequences; and while Remaining would be undemocratic, Brexit on WTO terms was only supported by a minority.

And in three paragraphs you have not answered a single point, much less responded to my assertion that remainers like yourself would not accept responsibility for what they have done.
:rotfl:

FYI 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU.
Since it was made perfectly clear that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market etc. etc. etc. (see numerous earlier posts
containing evidence from our own government for example) it is perfectly clear thatBrexit on WTO terms was indeed supported by a majority.
You don't like it, fair enough.
But please don't be disingenuous about it.

wunferall

silverwhistle wrote: »

What I find wryly amusing yet at the same time quite scary are the people trying to position the remainers as blameworthy for anything bad that might happen. They seem to be following a long line of government ministers who helped cause the shambles but didn't stick around long enough to take any responsibility.

Conversely what I find wryly amusing is the continual denial of some people to accept any responsibility for what they have done.
It truly is scary when such people deny causing such a horrific split in UK society by not only their refusal to accept the result of a democratic vote, but to then persistently attempt to undermine the vote.

Quite honestly the reactions are often infantile and are nothing more than foot-stamping tantrums.
Hopefully in the future we can see more adult behaviour emerging with these people accepting some responsibility, rather than blaming everybody else.

buglawton

Arklight wrote: »

OK, great idea. But lets introduce a policy whereby every Brexit voting pensioner has their pension proportionately reduced to cover benefits for every working age person who loses their job thanks to this nonsense.

Not so keen? No. Didn't think so.

Like all those jobs that were predicted to be lost already due to the referendum result? (Think I saw a figure of 500,000 somewhere).
If so, bring it on.

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

Trade flow isn't being held hostage, they are just unwilling to change their rules for the benefit of a 3rd party.

Any special deal they give us will need to be offered to everyone else.

Think you got it in one there.
Unwilling to change.

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

Think you got it in one there.
Unwilling to change.

Why should they?

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

You're over complicating.

Companies such as Honda in the UK export to 70 countries around the world. Rules and regulations differ in each market and regularly have to be updated. Currently they manufacture over 500 model variants to meet regulations and local needs.

It's simply not a problem.

You have oversimplified the issue.
Honda and others manufacture in various country’s around the world to serve their REGONAL market. Not always as sometimes it is to be INSIDE a trading block like the Japanese thought they were doing when investing in the U.K. or BMW producing in South Carolina USA.
The majority of cars produced within the EU28 are for sale in Europe where the rules, regulations of the EU are considered the standard to achieve.
I presently have on order a car that is produced in an EU27 country for sale in the European market. The “same” car is produced in Chine for the Asian market.
When it come to standards and JIT to manufacture your seatbelts within trucking distance is just good business.
To maintain JIT in the UK setting up local suppliers is one way to go. The other direction is to move the manufacturing out of the UK to inside the EU27.

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

You have oversimplified the issue.
Honda and others manufacture in various country’s around the world to serve their REGONAL market. Not always as sometimes it is to be INSIDE a trading block like the Japanese thought they were doing when investing in the U.K. or BMW producing in South Carolina USA.
The majority of cars produced within the EU28 are for sale in Europe where the rules, regulations of the EU are considered the standard to achieve.
I presently have on order a car that is produced in an EU27 country for sale in the European market. The “same” car is produced in Chine for the Asian market.
When it come to standards and JIT to manufacture your seatbelts within trucking distance is just good business.
To maintain JIT in the UK setting up local suppliers is one way to go. The other direction is to move the manufacturing out of the UK to inside the EU27.

Every X2,X3,X4,X5,X6 is made in USA. Every Lexus is made outside the EU. Over a million cars are imported annually from S Korea and Japan. In total the EU imports over 3 million cars every year from countries around the world.

And it all appears to run very smoothly.