Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Arklight

buglawton wrote: »

The NI 'gotcha'. EU thought that by holding NI to ransom they'd force us into a BINO. Forgetting they may force the opposite choice - WTO. A real double-edged gotcha there!

Yes, our canny negotiating sure showed them...

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Surely that refers to entitlement to welfare, schools , housing etc.......... Not the right to visit, i.e. as a tourist.

You may remember it differently but I recall the argument was also about immigration and the need check those entering the UK -not
just Eng/Sco/Wal - were legitimately coming here. We now seem to be saying that NI is part of the EU (ie no border checks). If so why not go the whole hog and make Ireland a separate Travel Area to that covering Great Britain.

Put another way, do you think the US would be content having the Mexican border in the US about 50 miles from Mexico?

BobQ

A_Pandiculation wrote: »

I think I know what the moaners are being so ..... moany.;)

"Andrea Leadsom: 'No deal' is Brexit default position"

Why is this news? Mrs Leadsom seems to be intent on frightening her Parliamentary colleagues into getting into line behind the May deal.

It has always been the case that without a deal we leave on WTO terms.

Why do you think that is such a good situation? So we increase the price of cars by 10%. How will that help UK industry?

Rinoa

BobQ wrote: »

Why do you think that is such a good situation? So we increase the price of cars by 10%. How will that help UK industry?

OK. You're a UK car manufacturer.

The 2,300,000 cars imported from the EU every year become 10% more expensive overnight.

Can you think of any possible way that might help the UK car industry?

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

OK. You're a UK car manufacturer.

The 2,300,000 cars imported from the EU every year become 10% more expensive overnight.

Can you think of any possible way that might help the UK car industry?

Ah! So all UK manufactured cars are made from materials/parts sourced outside the EU. When Vauxhall manufacture at Ellsemere Pt they do not import parts from Germany?

I am resigned to the fact that Brexit will happen but its only recently that I have discovered that we have a Government that thinks we may actually leave on WTO terms.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

Can you think of any possible way that might help the UK car industry?

Might mean buyers switch to cheaper brands.

wunferall

BobQ wrote: »

I am resigned to the fact that Brexit will happen but its only recently that I have discovered that we have a Government that thinks we may actually leave on WTO terms.

Some people have been saying just that for a long time, suggesting that the government's strategy was one of acceptance that the EU would be their usual domineering coercive selves.
It does now look like that might well have been the strategy all along.

Add to that mix the pro-EU lies, propaganda and obstruction from some remainers and viola!
The EU see what they think is indecision and take a harder stance, forcing the country to choose between an unpalatable deal or a clean break.

It looks to me like remainers have succeeded in forcing what they say they didn't want by their actions; a WTO Brexit.
:T
I am willing to lay odds that not one remain poster here accepts the above despite it now being patently obvious.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, our canny negotiating sure showed them...

See above post.
Point out what is incorrect if you can?
Thank you and your likeminded anarchists for giving this country the opportunity to prosper outside the EU, because the result of your actions will now most probably be a WTO Brexit.
:T

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

OK. You're a UK car manufacturer.

The 2,300,000 cars imported from the EU every year become 10% more expensive overnight.

Can you think of any possible way that might help the UK car industry?

Ok it is Chritmas Eve, but are your numbers correct.
Is the 2,300,000 cars a number of cars imported IN TO the UK. If it is does that include cars imported from NON EU countrys.

IF many of those cars cost 10% more in the UK what happens to the price of cars assembled in the UK and exported to the EU..

Sorry about all that but I think it is much more complicated than the above.

Many cars assembled in the UK that are exported to the EU include EU sourced parts
Many cars assembled in the EU that are exported to the UK include UK sourced parts

That definitely was the case in July 2016. I imagine there has been some change since then.

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

Some people have been saying just that for a long time, suggesting that the government's strategy was one of acceptance that the EU would be their usual domineering coercive selves.
It does now look like that might well have been the strategy all along.

Add to that mix the pro-EU lies, propaganda and obstruction from some remainers and viola!
The EU see what they think is indecision and take a harder stance, forcing the country to choose between an unpalatable deal or a clean break.

It looks to me like remainers have succeeded in forcing what they say they didn't want by their actions; a WTO Brexit.
:T
I am willing to lay odds that not one remain poster here accepts the above despite it now being patently obvious.

All of this is a paranoid delusion that the EU (scary foreigners) hate you for being British (the plucky isolated individual) and work ceaselessly for your destruction.

There isn't much that's going to change that attitude. It probably isn't even Brexiters fault. Raised on a diet of Cold War paranoia, Reds Under the Bed, and a jingoistic rewriting of Britain's struggle through WW2, an Empire in collapse, and a national psychological inability to appreciate the racism and brutality of its own recent history.

But times have changed. Almost no one under 30 carries this burdensome wreckage of 1970 with them, it's their time not yours, and they you need to convince.