Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

qwert_yuiop

Tromking wrote: »

A rather convoluted way of conceding that Cogito was right it has to be said. You were in error, own it.

Perhaps his ancestors were MPs. In which case his ancestors may well have voted to join the EEC.

gfplux

I am frankly lost for words.
This is like witnessing a car crash and having to describe it as a witness.

It would appear I am not alone given the lack of posting on this thread.

I also don’t understand why people and Politicians who wanted Brexit don’t except the withdrawal/transition/political commitment Deal. The alternatives appear to be.....

1) A better “deal”
2) No deal
3) ?
4) ?

Does anyone think there is much possibility of 1) and who can imagine that 2) will not harm Britain MORE than 1)

There is talk of extending A50, a new referendum or even a General Election. But once again what Brexiter thinks any of those are preferable to 1)

Just a reminder I am a remainer.

LHW99

gfplux wrote: »

I am frankly lost for words.
This is like witnessing a car crash and having to describe it as a witness.

It would appear I am not alone given the lack of posting on this thread.

I also don’t understand why people and Politicians who wanted Brexit don’t except the withdrawal/transition/political commitment Deal. The alternatives appear to be.....

1) A better “deal”
2) No deal
3) ?
4) ?

Does anyone think there is much possibility of 1) and who can imagine that 2) will not harm Britain MORE than 1)

There is talk of extending A50, a new referendum or even a General Election. But once again what Brexiter thinks any of those are preferable to 1)

Just a reminder I am a remainer.

IMO you have correctly quoted the alternatives. I voted Leave, but given that the "deal" is actually to the transition period, rather than the final state would prefer to cut short the arguments and accept it rather than play the games currently showing in the HoP

andrewf75

gfplux wrote: »

I also don’t understand why people and Politicians who wanted Brexit don’t except the withdrawal/transition/political commitment Deal.

It is utterly mad. Its pretty disgraceful that the hardline leavers are not backing the deal because its as good as we're ever going to get. Its also disgraceful from the remain/Labour side for not backing it because its inferior to staying in. Of course it is (from a remainer point of view) but again, its the best option available.

Its going to be extremely damaging rejecting the one chance of moving forward in a reasonable manner and basically returning to a straight fight between remain and an extreme Brexit. Either of those damages the country irreparably for generations IMO.

We shouldn't be playing politics with this.

movilogo

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6576821/Germany-looks-set-enter-RECESSION-Europes-financial-giant-sees-unexpected-collapse.html

Germany looks set to enter a RECESSION after Europe's financial giant sees unexpected collapse in industrial production

Moe_The_Bartender

andrewf75 wrote: »

It is utterly mad. Its pretty disgraceful that the hardline leavers are not backing the deal because its as good as we're ever going to get. Its also disgraceful from the remain/Labour side for not backing it because its inferior to staying in. Of course it is (from a remainer point of view) but again, its the best option available.

Its going to be extremely damaging rejecting the one chance of moving forward in a reasonable manner and basically returning to a straight fight between remain and an extreme Brexit. Either of those damages the country irreparably for generations IMO.

We shouldn't be playing politics with this.

No deal is far better than the disgraceful deal that the Hardcore remainers (see how that works both ways) in the government have concocted to keep us in the EU whilst pretending that we are leaving.

It is diisgraceful that MPs are playing poiitics with this, especially the odious Bercow who discredits his position and deserves the fate of seven of his predecessors who were beheaded in the 15th and 16th centuries.

andrewf75

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

No deal is far better than the disgraceful deal that the Hardcore remainers (see how that works both ways) in the government have concocted to keep us in the EU whilst pretending that we are leaving.

It does work both ways as in there are hardcore remainers, but those clearly aren't the ones who have come up with this deal! Its utter nonsense that the deal is pretending to leave. Laughable. It has a transition thats all and protections in place for the Good Friday agreement.

A Norway deal would have been 100% leaving as would any deal that means we leave. To label this deal, which sets us up for a relatively hard Brexit as pretty much like remaining is just ridiculous.

This is why we're headed for a 2nd vote. If people don't accept a deal to leave as being leave then we have to do it again and specify precisely what is on offer.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

No it isn’t, but No Deal is looking like the only scenario with the required amount of political legitimacy.

and yet the polls show a majority for remain.

kabayiri

I believe Gordon Brown saved the [STRIKE]world [/STRIKE] (oops) banks, in a little over 48 hours just a decade ago.

So pushing it to the wire when it comes to a mere EU should be chicken feed.

You could give politicians another 2 years to sort this all out. They would merely bicker for 90% of that time.

Once a complete break is achieved, I expect an appetite to talk real trade turkey will return between the various EU states and the UK.

Moe_The_Bartender

andrewf75 wrote: »

It does work both ways as in there are hardcore remainers, but those clearly aren't the ones who have come up with this deal! Its utter nonsense that the deal is pretending to leave. Laughable. It has a transition thats all and protections in place for the Good Friday agreement.

A Norway deal would have been 100% leaving as would any deal that means we leave. To label this deal, which sets us up for a relatively hard Brexit as pretty much like remaining is just ridiculous.

This is why we're headed for a 2nd vote. If people don't accept a deal to leave as being leave then we have to do it again and specify precisely what is on offer.

Do we remain in a Customs Union? - Yes
Are we still subject to the ECJ? - Yes
Is there a time limit on the WA? - No
Will we have to follow all EU rules including any new ones? Yes

And you seriously think we're leaving. Without a time limited legal backstop, the EU will never allow us to escape their clutches.