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Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

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  • gfplux
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    edited 20 December 2018 at 5:06PM
    cogito wrote: »
    I'll rephrase. Gfplux was saying that UK businesses were not being very vocal in describing the downside of Brexit and leaving without a deal. I was simply making the point that EU business leaders were also keeping their heads down.

    But that wouldn't suit his argument.

    I have no argument.
    All large businesses have been creating contingency plans and beginning to action them.
    That means all large Companys in the EU28 PLUS other international company’s based around the world.
    The contingency plans by company’s based in Britain are invariably not positive for Britain or Britains workers.
    Contingency plans by company’s in the EU27 are not in Britain’s interests.
    Contingency plans by other international company’s may be Britain neutral but that is anybody’s guess.

    My further point is if leaving the EU without a deal is going to have a big impact on British and British based company’s the CEO’s of those company’s have not been vocal ENOUGH (due to self interest) speaking out about the downside (or upside) of Brexit.

    Comments negative or positive by British (based) company’s would have a political effect.
    This is all about Brexit and Britain.
    Germany is perfectly able of taking care of itself.
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • LHW99
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    Voters were clearly told what the effects of leaving would be.
    But I thought the narrative was that people voted Leave because they didn't know what they were voting for.
    You can't have it both ways
  • gfplux
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    This has been published by the commons library concerning the rules and timing of a referendum.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/parliament-and-elections/elections-elections/a-second-brexit-referendum-the-rules/

    It is not a long read.
    This is an early paragraph.
    QUOTE
    To hold a second Brexit referendum Parliament would need to pass legislation to allow for the poll to take place. A Bill would need to go through and be agreed by both Houses.
    This could be an Act just about the referendum, like the European Union Referendum Act 2015. Or the required provisions could be included in an Act that includes other provisions. The provisions for the 2011 referendum on voting systems for UK Parliamentary elections were included in an Act that contained other related provisions, not just the referendum provisions.
    If the Withdrawal Agreement is agreed, it will need to be implemented through the proposed European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill so that it can take effect in UK law. Provisions could be inserted in the Bill to allow for a referendum to take place to get voters’ consent.
    Any legislation would need to set out the question to be asked and the eligibility to vote.
    END QUOTE
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • Herzlos
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    kabayiri wrote: »
    That's their choice then, and they accept the repercussions. No point in bleating on about it.


    Not really. It's more a case of chosing to lose a toe rather than a foot - both options suck but they are taking the least sucky option and are perfectly entitled to moan about it. They'd rather we stayed in and let everyone prosper.
  • andrewf75
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    BucksLady wrote: »
    Wow, don't you think it's time to stop moaning about Leavers. Why is it that Mr C and his government have taken little criticism of their actions? It's all very well offering the opportunity to Leave or Remain - but where was the detailed plan for the Leave Option? The answer of course is that there wasn't one:eek:. I should imagine that the vast majority of people (whether Leave or Remain) would could consider that fact as totally irresponsible. There should have been a plan and I doubt few would argue about that.

    Agree. The current shambles just shows how poor a decision it was to hold the vote. We have a parliamentary democracy for a reason.

    People shouldn't blame voters. They were stupidly offered a say and took the chance. Even if Brexit leaves the country bankrupt for a decade people may have been voting with a much longer term view and they may end up right. I suspect we'll never know for sure until future generations analyse it.
  • phillw wrote: »
    I find it amazing how gullible people are.

    Putin bought brexit and if he doesn't get it then he'll be asking for his money back.

    You're not one of them then?
    The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists.
  • Thrugelmir
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    andrewf75 wrote: »
    Even if Brexit leaves the country bankrupt for a decade

    Why is Brexit going to bankrupt the UK?
  • Arklight
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Why is Brexit going to bankrupt the UK?

    Because it's an awful idea that will create economic chaos, separate us from our most important trading partners, and trash our exchange rate so it will cost a week's salary to import a pineapple.

    Exactly like in the 1970s that you are all so fond of.
  • buglawton
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    The EU IS an awful idea that created economic chaos and separated us from our most important trading partners.

    You took (most) of the words out of my mouth.
  • buglawton
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    Yes. Firmly with the brexiteers who have consistently completely failed to take any responsibility for what they had done.
    Ooh pardon us for living in a democracy.
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