Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Lornapink

Here's one of those Brexit Unicorns many of us predicted would come to be if incoming cheaper labour were reduced;


“Waning supply of workers from the European Union forced firms to pay more”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-08/u-k-worker-shortage-intensifies-as-starting-salaries-climb

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-jobs/uk-firms-struggle-to-hire-with-brexit-record-low-jobless-rate-idUKKBN1KT00Y

Lornapink

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Brexit has consequences. Very real ones, very negative ones, that will hurt an awful lot of British people.

EU membership is leading to an unstoppable populist surge throughout Europe. The Blair Institute keeps warning that it is becoming embedded and not the 'flash in the pan' progressives had predicted.

By the end of next year it is thought over 60% of MEP's will be from populist party's.


Have you thought through where the EU is headed, seriously? Cant you see that with 'last man standing' Macron (Merkel on way out) polling 18% against LePenn on 44% and Italy run by populists that the writing is on the wall? People want their democracy back.

Radio 4 documentary a week ago interviewed peaceful French protestors all saying the same thing, that they are impoverished. The very last thing they would tolerate is Macron in collusion with Brusells elites making them poorer by not agreeing a UK trade deal.


Many of them are rural workers, the Yellow Jacket movement is of non metropolitan people, many of whom will work in produce sold to the UK.

Of the 946 European districts that held elections in 2017, the centre left suffered losses in 94%
Record results for Danish Peoples Party & Polands Law & Justice Party.
Landslide victory for Austrian Freedom Party & Peoples Party.
2nd place for Geert Wilders, who’s immigration stance Dutch Tories aped.
LePenn best showing ever & now rating double Macrons.
Victor Orban
Czech Republic has a Trump leader.
Sweden Democrats came 3rd.
AFD won 94 seats. Social Dems worst result since 1933.
Nationalists winning in Slovenia & Estonia.
Vox Party came from nowhere to win 12 seats in Spain (they were nowhere a few months back)

Italy won by populists.

Norway has RW coalition

Charles Michel, Belgium's PM, has told parliament that he will resign after no confidence vote over the signing the U.N. migration pact


Populism is unstoppable and the sooner the arrogant liberal class recognise this and actually start listening to people and acting on their concerns, the better.

Before you suggest in that peculiarly arrogant fashion that the exceptional 'we' should stay and reform the EU from within' I remind you of this;
1961, Harold Macmillan > 'by joining we could reform away its ever closer union’.

Kohoutek

Lornapink wrote: »

EU membership is leading to an unstoppable populist surge throughout Europe. The Blair Institute keeps warning that it is becoming embedded and not the 'flash in the pan' progressives had predicted.

By the end of next year it is thought over 60% of MEP's will be from populist party's.


Have you thought through where the EU is headed, seriously? Cant you see that with 'last man standing' Macron (Merkel on way out) polling 18% against LePenn on 44% and Italy run by populists that the writing is on the wall? People want their democracy back.

Radio 4 documentary a week ago interviewed peaceful French protestors all saying the same thing, that they are impoverished. The very last thing they would tolerate is Macron in collusion with Brusells elites making them poorer by not agreeing a UK trade deal.


Many of them are rural workers, the Yellow Jacket movement is of non metropolitan people, many of whom will work in produce sold to the UK.

Of the 946 European districts that held elections in 2017, the centre left suffered losses in 94%
Record results for Danish Peoples Party & Polands Law & Justice Party.
Landslide victory for Austrian Freedom Party & Peoples Party.
2nd place for Geert Wilders, who’s immigration stance Dutch Tories aped.
LePenn best showing ever & now rating double Macrons.
Victor Orban
Czech Republic has a Trump leader.
Sweden Democrats came 3rd.
AFD won 94 seats. Social Dems worst result since 1933.
Nationalists winning in Slovenia & Estonia.
Vox Party came from nowhere to win 12 seats in Spain (they were nowhere a few months back)

Italy won by populists.

Norway has RW coalition

Charles Michel, Belgium's PM, has told parliament that he will resign after no confidence vote over the signing the U.N. migration pact


Populism is unstoppable and the sooner the arrogant liberal class recognise this and actually start listening to people and acting on their concerns, the better.

Before you suggest in that peculiarly arrogant fashion that the exceptional 'we' should stay and reform the EU from within' I remind you of this;
1961, Harold Macmillan > 'by joining we could reform away its ever closer union’.

Last time I checked, no country in the EU has got remotely close to starting any process of leaving the EU, holding a referendum on leaving the EU, or electing a government which is committed to those aims, apart from the UK.

Your ramblings don't change that.

BobQ

movilogo wrote: »

If EU discovers that UK is serious about going with No Deal route, then at the last moment there will be breakthru and EU will suddenly find tweaks to TM's deal, which would then be gladly accepted by parliament and hence UK will remain in EU (while officially out).

Delusional doesn't really cover those views...…..

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Delusional doesn't really cover those views...…..

Who knows where the pressure might emanate from. With Eire preparing for a damage limiting exercise in the event of a no deal. Makes sobering reading for those in a minority Government held in power by a coalition. Not just Mrs May that doesn't command support.

BobQ

movilogo wrote: »

That happens all the time, being in EU or out. Have you forgotten 2008-9 recession when millions of people lost jobs?

In a joint statement, the British Chambers of Commerce, the Confederation of British Industry, manufacturers' organisation the EEF, the Federation of Small Businesses and the Institute of Directors said: "Businesses have been watching in horror as politicians have focused on factional disputes rather than practical steps that business needs to move forward.
"The lack of progress in Westminster means that the risk of a no-deal Brexit is rising."

They do not think the situation is normal.

buglawton

Lornapink wrote: »

Here's one of those Brexit Unicorns many of us predicted would come to be if incoming cheaper labour were reduced;

“Waning supply of workers from the European Union forced firms to pay more”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-08/u-k-worker-shortage-intensifies-as-starting-salaries-climb

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-jobs/uk-firms-struggle-to-hire-with-brexit-record-low-jobless-rate-idUKKBN1KT00Y

In other news,

UK financial services regulations - in a limited number of areas such as derivatives trading - to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152
I think that the EU needs rubber and just realised we own the rubber plantation
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Gangaweed

movilogo wrote: »

If EU discovers that UK is serious about going with No Deal route, then at the last moment there will be breakthru and EU will suddenly find tweaks to TM's deal, which would then be gladly accepted by parliament and hence UK will remain in EU (while officially out).

It maybe the case... Or it may not be. But it is a pretty huge gamble to take with the nation's economy.

buglawton

The huge gamble is the current governments bumbling incompetent management of exit preparations. I'm not going to accept that as an excuse for being panicked into a BINO however. And if we get a hard landing it'll be down to the wasted 2 years that should've gone into solid WTO planning. I'll know where the responsibity lies.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

You are deluded if you think that business leaders have not been preparing for this since the vote. It's known as risk management and major shareholders like the big pension funds have been on their backs about it for more than two years. Just because you personally may not be aware of it doesn't mean that it isn’t happening.

You completely missed the point of the paragraph. Please read it again, please.
To rephrase..... I wish business leaders had been more vocal in describing the downside of Brexit and leaving without a deal. If they had spoken up more vocally it might have changed some people’s attitude.
They did not speak out as that may damaged the share price, their company’s reputation and or their bonus.
I have posted on many occasions that underneath the surface the uncertainty of Brexit was making business make plans that would not be in the interests of Britain as those plans as normal would put the company and their interest first.
I am disturbed by your speed reading ability that you have misunderstood not only my post but my whole position on contingency planning.