Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

wunferall

kabayiri wrote: »

Nobody is talking about the deep relationship between a large tech company (makes cheap phones...best not name) and China.

Why is this important? Well...the development of 5G and the spying potential makes it very important indeed.

"Why"... :rotfl:
Was it meant as a subtle hint?
But of course you're correct and it is the depth of involvement globally of this company that should be concerning other governments than those who already have or are considering action.

In relation to this thread it's proof that China are already achieving types of global dominance which the EU, much though it still wants to, has never accomplished.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Without the help of USA and European money over the last few decades, the Chinese economy would be nowhere.

The plans were over 50 years ago. Inching forward over a very long time. Visions don't need to materialise overnight. Just a focus on the final destination. For the Chinese just money either but understanding the technology involved and building a qualified workforce. People with desire will suceed. Different attitude to the wealthy Western world.

cogito

kabayiri wrote: »

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Off to Poland and Hungary in a few weeks, so I shall make sure I try and get a feel of what people on the ground are saying.

You never know, there might be some kind of 'love in' with Juncker & pals.

Of course, it all depends who you talk to. I've visited every EU country to the south of Lithuania and east of Austria this year. In Poland and Hungary, the young rail against the ignorant peasants who voted in governments of the wrong political persuasions. In Bulgaria and Romania, they demonstrate against corruption that their politicians regard as a perk of the job and murder journalists who investigate them as well as abuse GDPR regulations to try to force journos to disclose their sources.

That said, they view the EU in much the same way as they do the communists who they got rid of less than 30 years ago.

Enjoy your love in.

Thrugelmir

And we think May has problems. Macron seems in deeper mire.

France fuel protest: One dead in 'yellow vest' blockades

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

The_Big_Seedy_Bun

wunferall wrote: »

You do know nothing has really happened yet & it's not March 2019 don't you?
You do also know that no trade deals can be arranged until after the UK leaves the EU, don't you?
So you're looking for what cannot yet exist.
Try again after we've left.

And do you mean that it looks like a WTO Brexit?
Yes it does.
Blame both sides for not having the guts to actually want to do a deal.
*Reality check*
The UK won't fall off any cliff edge.
Things will carry on pretty much as before.
Of course if you choose to believe premonitions by those with agendas go ahead.
I wonder if you're one that filled the bath with water and otherwise prepared for the chaos that was supposedly coming from the Millenium Bug too?

Do you know the other circumstances that no trade deals can be done? When no other parties want to make any.

Reality check (and mate).

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

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That said, they view the EU in much the same way as they do the communists who they got rid of less than 30 years ago.

Enjoy your love in.

Oh it might be a non event, or all go sour.

I'm also taking the opportunity to return an item to a family, which was taken from them over 40 years ago...and I'm not sure they know yet !

...should be interesting.

buglawton

wunferall wrote: »

You do know nothing has really happened yet & it's not March 2019 don't you?
You do also know that no trade deals can be arranged until after the UK leaves the EU, don't you?
So you're looking for what cannot yet exist.
Try again after we've left.

And do you mean that it looks like a WTO Brexit?
Yes it does.
Blame both sides for not having the guts to actually want to do a deal.
*Reality check*
The UK won't fall off any cliff edge.
Things will carry on pretty much as before.
Of course if you choose to believe premonitions by those with agendas go ahead.
I wonder if you're one that filled the bath with water and otherwise prepared for the chaos that was supposedly coming from the Millenium Bug too?

It's even possible that if the EU, under WTO, tried an overt or stealth trade embargo, that the UK might unexpectedly prosper as it works on more self reliance combined with imports from new sources. 'Necessity is the mother of invention'.

wunferall

The_Big_Seedy_Bun wrote: »

Do you know the other circumstances that no trade deals can be done? When no other parties want to make any.

Reality check (and mate).

I'm sorry but now I don't think you have much idea TBH.
Or do the USA, China, Singapore, Canada, Australia and more who have said in these past months that they want deals with the UK not count - and no I won't post links.
If you're genuinely interested you will look.
Or maybe you think that the world's 6th largest consumer market really won't attract prospective traders?
:doh:

wunferall

buglawton wrote: »

It's even possible that if the EU, under WTO, tried an overt or stealth trade embargo, that the UK might unexpectedly prosper as it works on more self reliance combined with imports from new sources. 'Necessity is the mother of invention'.

Indeed and the EU seem not to consider that no matter what we buy from EU countries, globally there will be others just itching to sell their wares.

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

Indeed and the EU seem not to consider that no matter what we buy from EU countries, globally there will be others just itching to sell their wares.

Undoubtedly apart from a few niche items we can source everything elsewhere. It just might be a lot more expensive and kill off our manufacturing industry.

Things like insulin? I'm not sure how long it can survive in transit. Ditto various cancer drugs.

So yeah, just like jumping out a 3rd floor window; it's survivable but unlikely to be a good idea.