Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

Yeah a general election wouldn't help because they are based on many issues and prejudices.
We really need a single question vote on !!!!!! we do next.

ukcarper wrote: »

Losing our veto joining euro

We lose our veto with Mays deal, and still get to follow all the rules
I doubt there's any appetite for making us use the euro.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Yeah a general election wouldn't help because they are based on many issues and prejudices.
We really need a single question vote on !!!!!! we do next.

We lose our veto with Mays deal, and still get to follow all the rules
I doubt there's any appetite for making us use the euro.

Not all we will not be subject to FOM or have to support EU Army, no appetite here yes but in rest of EU how do you what they think now let alone in future.

spadoosh

Herzlos wrote: »

I suspect that if many of them knew how badly it'd be handled and how the public mood had changed, they'd have voted differently.

Thats the main reason i voted brexit. My issues with the Eu are largely the same issue i have with our government in that theyre ran so poorly. Put each organisation in the private sector and neither would exist.

Its largely our fault for not holding them to account and accepting apathy. Brexit has turned thigns on their head, politicians are being exposed, every decision is being hyper critical and accountability is starting to land on the shoulders of those who are in position of accountability. Its far from the desired end result, but it is progress in the right direction.

I just cant see a situation where the economic hardship isnt worth the end result of having a lot more accountability in our parliament as well as a lot more questioning from the voters.

Brexit has played out pretty much exactly as i expected. from my POV there has only ever been two options and that was ultimately what was onthe ballot paper. In or out. Any deal seem s like the EU reneging on their ideals which we shouldnt expect them to do. Worst case scenarios are a few percentage point from our topline GDP, filter it down and youre tlaking a few percent on household income. Times arent perfect but for the most part i think people can manage with the economic consequences relatively easily.

I think anyone remotely involved in brexit will be got rid of pretty quickly once the majority of it is done and that s on all sides of parliament. The fresh blood coming through with an ingrained higher level of accountability can only be good for parliament and im confident its something we need. New thinkers, new ideas and whats as close to a fresh start as we can.

Herzlos

Has anything actually changed here though?
There's been lots of outrage at politicians lately (like the expenses scandal, where almost nothing was done, some gave some money back and now the expenses are confidential). There's no way to take the government to a court above UK level, there's no more politicians out of a job (they almost always resign from a position back to the benches where they hide a few years and resurface), no more politicians in jail, and no better calibre of governance.


There's lots of noise being directed at those who are to blame - Cameron, Farage, Johnson, Mogg, Gove, May, etc, but is there any sign that any of them are any worse off for it? None of them seem to show any punishment or remorse for having destroyed the country.

andrewf75

spadoosh wrote: »

I just cant see a situation where the economic hardship isnt worth the end result of having a lot more accountability in our parliament as well as a lot more questioning from the voters.

The situation where it isn't worth it is if we end up with worse politicians with even less accountability! Look at Trump, he was voted for as a protest against the system and he has no regard for democracy or the truth. I don't really see any evidence of people being interested in new ideas and new thinking, more a resurgence of old ideas. I like the theory and the potential is certainly there, but just think there are more risks to the downside. History suggests that extremists take advantage of turbulent times, not progressives with new ideas. Sincerely hope I'm wrong obviously!

Enterprise_1701C

buglawton wrote: »

With Corbyn as PM I'm sure Labour would be delighted to take the blame. If the UK's going for a catastrophe it might as well be the full Monty.

You are kidding, he hasn't even got the honour in his soul to allow a leadership challenge when a vote of no confidence is passed in him. As far as I am concerned that, and many other thing, proves he is the single most untrustworthy politician in this country.

movilogo

Brexit is like clearing the loft during house move. You don't have a clue what junk you have accumulated over the years. 95% of this junk can be thrown away in the bin without affecting quality of your life.

Because of Brexit, public has now discovered how inept politicans are - both in UK and EU side.

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

Look at Trump, he was voted for as a protest against the system

What's the system? In the US the rich have got richer and the poorer poorer. That's a fact. People voted for change as the establishment hasn't delivered for years.

Carl31

Herzlos wrote: »

Has anything actually changed here though?
There's been lots of outrage at politicians lately (like the expenses scandal, where almost nothing was done, some gave some money back and now the expenses are confidential). There's no way to take the government to a court above UK level, there's no more politicians out of a job (they almost always resign from a position back to the benches where they hide a few years and resurface), no more politicians in jail, and no better calibre of governance.


There's lots of noise being directed at those who are to blame - Cameron, Farage, Johnson, Mogg, Gove, May, etc, but is there any sign that any of them are any worse off for it? None of them seem to show any punishment or remorse for having destroyed the country.

the only mechanism we have to hold politicians to account is the election system, and even that is pretty poor

politicians know the'yre pretty untouchable, its like the top dogs in a business. They can flounce the rules as who is going to tell them off? shareholders maybe, but is anyone really going to pull them up for bunging personal spend on expenses?

Thrugelmir

Carl31 wrote: »

shareholders maybe, but is anyone really going to pull them up for bunging personal spend on expenses?

At a local level then yes. Throwing away a well paid job and pension suggests that the weren't really suitable in the first place. In a company situation you could potentially be dismissed for such activities. Trust is very important.