Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

Brexit is like clearing the loft during house move. You don't have a clue what junk you have accumulated over the years. 95% of this junk can be thrown away in the bin without affecting quality of your life.

it’s like clearing the loft out by burning the house down.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

There will still be security co-operation unless the UK doesn't want to play along. We're just not going to get special Shengen only direct access to systems.



Just like how we'll be able to use the EU positioning satellites but won't have any internal access.


When we're a 3rd country, which "the people" wanted, then the EU is going to treat as as a 3rd country to the letter. If you want to know if the EU will allow us something, as if they'll allow Morocco to do the same thing. It's a 3rd country of approximately the same distance from the EU.

That could effect security of both EU and U.K. and the priority should be security full stop.

Thrugelmir

scaredofdebt wrote: »

Tories brought Brexit and their inability to negotiate it is staggering.

What did the negotiators do wrong in your view?

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

That could effect security of both EU and U.K. and the priority should be security full stop.

So you're saying we should be staying in to take advance of our super special close security ties? Finally we agree on something! :beer:

andrewf75

ukcarper wrote: »

That could effect security of both EU and U.K. and the priority should be security full stop.

Agree, but its not that simple as some agencies like Interpol are connected to the ECJ. If it was that simple we’d do the same thing with many other countries. No one is trying to deny us access to something out of spite.

Matt_L

ukcarper wrote: »

It's statements like that, that make me wonder if I was right to vote remain.

Or you could accept that project fear never went away and these are the tactics that some use the play on that fear....

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

Yeah a general election wouldn't help because they are based on many issues and prejudices.
We really need a single question vote on !!!!!! we do next.

Nah it’ll be fine. I’d vote labour actually just so we can see what they’ll do with it.

We lose our veto with Mays deal, and still get to follow all the rules
I doubt there's any appetite for making us use the euro.

I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s not getting through and she’ll be toast.
Tbh I can’t see it even getting to a vote because the whole non-confidence game going on at the moment is all about showing her just how many labour MPs she’s going to have to pursuade to keep her in place.

No Tory mp can write a letter today, publicly announce it and vote for this deal tomorrow. None.
So that’s at least 25 to date.
How many labour MPs are going to realistically defy their party and prop her up. It makes their positions untenable regardless of if they are in leave constituencies. My MP is one of those and six months ago defying their electorate on brexit was a tough choice, not today. It’s a suicide note to say this is a terrible deal and we all know it but I have to vote for it anyway.

The govt cannot function if this deal is accepted because the DUP will not allow it.
We might as well have the GE now, hand labour the reins and at least have a majority govt leading the way. Even labour’s leaving with a small l is better than TMs shambles

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

So you're saying we should be staying in to take advance of our super special close security ties? Finally we agree on something! :beer:

I really don't know what I think now but I think if we do leave we should still do all we can to make continent secure.

ukcarper

andrewf75 wrote: »

Agree, but its not that simple as some agencies like Interpol are connected to the ECJ. If it was that simple we’d do the same thing with many other countries. No one is trying to deny us access to something out of spite.

I accept there could be technical problems but we and by we I mean EU and U.K. should be looking at ways to overcome them, not saying we will take a tough line and on security with U.K. .

cogito

andrewf75 wrote: »

Agree, but its not that simple as some agencies like Interpol are connected to the ECJ. If it was that simple we’d do the same thing with many other countries. No one is trying to deny us access to something out of spite.

Don't you think that with the UK being one of the Five Eyes, that the EU might need us more than we need them?