Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

buglawton

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

You are kidding, he hasn't even got the honour in his soul to allow a leadership challenge when a vote of no confidence is passed in him. As far as I am concerned that, and many other thing, proves he is the single most untrustworthy politician in this country.

Admittedly I should have put a tongue-in-cheek smiley at the end of my post.

scaredofdebt

buglawton wrote: »

It's entirely up to the Labour party how it votes on the deal. Not up to the Tories the last time I checked.

Exactly, support the government and get blamed for a bad Brexit, oppose the government and get blamed for no deal or no Brexit.

Great.

Tories brought Brexit and their inability to negotiate it is staggering.

Moby

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

You are kidding, he hasn't even got the honour in his soul to allow a leadership challenge when a vote of no confidence is passed in him. As far as I am concerned that, and many other thing, proves he is the single most untrustworthy politician in this country.

Corbyn has won two leadership contests. He was challenged by Owen Smith after the MP's resigned and also won the previous leadership election in a contest with Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper. In contrast May became leader and PM without a contest.

scaredofdebt

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

You are kidding, he hasn't even got the honour in his soul to allow a leadership challenge when a vote of no confidence is passed in him. As far as I am concerned that, and many other thing, proves he is the single most untrustworthy politician in this country.

What on Earth are you on about? Keep taking the tablets. :rotfl:

Moby

The EU will start to turn the screw now:-
According to a story (paywall) by Financial Times’ Mehreen Khan, at his meeting with EU ambassadors today Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, said the EU was going to take a tough line with the UK on security in the next stage of the talks (ie, the ones firming up the future relationship, after the UK leaves in March 2019). Khan said:

Mr Barnier dismissed the UK’s demand to maintain access to the EU’s internal security system, including its passenger name recognition database, Europol and Eurojust. He said no other country outside the Schengen free travel area enjoyed such a level of access. “The UK does not accept all the consequences of its status as a third country”, Mr Barnier said, according to the note.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

The EU will start to turn the screw now:-
According to a story (paywall) by Financial Times’ Mehreen Khan, at his meeting with EU ambassadors today Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, said the EU was going to take a tough line with the UK on security in the next stage of the talks (ie, the ones firming up the future relationship, after the UK leaves in March 2019). Khan said:

Mr Barnier dismissed the UK’s demand to maintain access to the EU’s internal security system, including its passenger name recognition database, Europol and Eurojust. He said no other country outside the Schengen free travel area enjoyed such a level of access. “The UK does not accept all the consequences of its status as a third country”, Mr Barnier said, according to the note.

It's statements like that, that make me wonder if I was right to vote remain.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

It's statements like that, that make me wonder if I was right to vote remain.

Yeah, how dare the EU treat the UK as a 3rd country when it chooses to become a 3rd country.



I genuinely don't think we understand the severity of becoming a 3rd country.

ukcarper wrote: »

Not all we will not be subject to FOM or have to support EU Army, no appetite here yes but in rest of EU how do you what they think now let alone in future.

I missed this before. You're probably right, we'll probably be able avoid FOM (and will just need to drop our immigration cap and intro a VISA system for the migrants we need), and we likely won't be involved in the EU army.


We'll still be a vassal, but a vassal that's not part of their army cost savings. It just means they probably won't standardize on our stuff (so less likely to use the UK for supply, and more likely we won't have interoperable stuff).

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Yeah, how dare the EU treat the UK as a 3rd country when it chooses to become a 3rd country.

Security should not be subject to 3rd country status as cooperation benefits both sides and to risk the security of all of Europe because of politics is not being reasonable.

pertgave

movilogo wrote: »

Brexit is like clearing the loft during house move. You don't have a clue what junk you have accumulated over the years. 95% of this junk can be thrown away in the bin without affecting quality of your life.

I have cleared my parent's loft and 99% was junk that nobody would miss. However, trading with the EU and as part of a multinational family, Brexit is affecting me and my family very much and it does not compare to clearing the loft.

But I wish you all the best and hope you will be fine in case the UK drops out of the EU if the British government fails to agree with itself on the exit terms.:D

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Security should not be subject to 3rd country status as cooperation benefits both sides and to risk the security of all of Europe because of politics is not being reasonable.

There will still be security co-operation unless the UK doesn't want to play along. We're just not going to get special Shengen only direct access to systems.



Just like how we'll be able to use the EU positioning satellites but won't have any internal access.


When we're a 3rd country, which "the people" wanted, then the EU is going to treat as as a 3rd country to the letter. If you want to know if the EU will allow us something, as if they'll allow Morocco to do the same thing. It's a 3rd country of approximately the same distance from the EU.