Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Filo25

movilogo wrote: »

Did TM present a bad deal intentionally so that support for remaining in EU grows?

Her deal is nothing but staying in EU via back door.

Not sure what anyone was expecting, the options have been much the same for a while now, a fair few EU nations actually seem surprised the EU were quite so generous on this one, believe it or not.

The loosest arrangements were No Deal whatsoever with the attendant Economic shambles, followed by an FTA deal which would have meant finding a resolution to the NI border question (difficult at any time, more difficult when you are dependant on DUP votes)

Anything beyond that was always going to mean some kind of regulatory alignment, and the predictable howls of betrayal.

Good to see the likes of Farage and IDS saying this deal is worse than being in the EU, and involves giving away sovereignty that they were claiming recently we never had anyway.

buglawton

The Deal looks more like an ultimatum thumped down on the table.
Or at best, a deal between Teresa May and the EU 27. This is why the deal may bring down the PM or the government.

Will this be the labour party that goes down in history as bouncing the UK into a WTO Brexit when it knee-jerk votes the deal down?

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

Will this be the labour party that goes down in history as bouncing the UK into a WTO Brexit when it knee-jerk votes the deal down?

No, but you can be sure the Tories will try to blame Labour for it.

scaredofdebt

buglawton wrote: »

The Deal looks more like an ultimatum thumped down on the table.
Or at best, a deal between Teresa May and the EU 27. This is why the deal may bring down the PM or the government.

Will this be the labour party that goes down in history as bouncing the UK into a WTO Brexit when it knee-jerk votes the deal down?

Brexit is 100% a Tory construct, designed to unite their divided party and head off the spectre of UKIP.

But yeah, blame Labour if it makes you feel better.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

I wonder why Raab resigned today then if he knew already.

Professionalism. Nothing would ever get done if people resigned at the slightest disagreement.

Thrugelmir

scaredofdebt wrote: »

Brexit is 100% a Tory construct,

Was the choice of the people. Who are sadly being let down by political bickering. Rather than pragmatism.

Herzlos

Tories have apparently hit the 48 "no confidence" letters required to trigger a leadership contest:


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/emerging-reports-suggest-tories-submit-48-letters-for-vote-of-no-confidence-in-theresa-may/16/11/

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Was the choice of the people. Who are sadly being let down by political bickering. Rather than pragmatism.

Not at all. A competent government that wasn't held hostage to extremists could have done something with this. They wouldn't have held the bluff referendum in the first place either, but they'd have done something better with the result. Like possibly look at addressing the underlying issues instead of fobbing everyone off for years.

Aberdeenangarse

Herzlos wrote: »

Tories have apparently hit the 48 "no confidence" letters required to trigger a leadership contest:


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/emerging-reports-suggest-tories-submit-48-letters-for-vote-of-no-confidence-in-theresa-may/16/11/.

That’s a bit like changing the Captain of the Titanic AFTER it’s hit the iceberg!!!!

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

No, but you can be sure the Tories will try to blame Labour for it.

I blame it on all remain supporting MPs who voted for referendum bill the vast majority of them. If they thought as the apparently do that brexit would be such a disaster they should not have put our membership at risk. That would have been easier and caused less damage than trying to reverse decision now which the majority are obviously trying to do. If they do succeed in reversing brexit we will most likely be in a worse position than before and that could be worse than May's deal.

Herzlos

I'm not convinced; at the time public mood was for leaving, and there was a lot of noise about how easy it'd be.


I suspect that if many of them knew how badly it'd be handled and how the public mood had changed, they'd have voted differently.


They should have known better and should have held their ground, but I can just about see why they caved under the pressure.


The blame is squarely with the Leave campaigners, and the Tories that have either mismanaged themselves into a corner or held the party to ransom.

If they do succeed in reversing brexit we will most likely be in a worse position than before and that could be worse than May's deal.

I don't follow this. What do you think would happen if we reverse Brexit that could be worse than Mays deal? Adoption of the Euro? Speaking German?
Reversing Brexit prevents us losing the sovereignty we supposedly never had, and gets us a seat back at the table.