Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

melanzana

Wenlock wrote: »

To be fair Rees-Mogg and others have suggested that the new PM should advise the EU that we cannot accept this deal. Offer cash for a short (1 year?) transition period with a commitment to moving to either a “managed” WTO exit or a Canada style FTA on that date. Advise that the alternative would be WTO at March 2019 with no cash.

I would be delighted with that outcome.

Do you have a link for that, or are you on a wind up?

Anyway it won't solve the NI Border issue though. And it is not very clever either. WTO tariffs will kill the country stone dead. UK cannot impose low tariffs under WTO without offering the same deal to all in WTO under the Favoured Nation Clause.

EU will not accept it either, and I don't blame them. It's either in under the Agreement or fully out. No half baked schemes.

Canada deals and the like will take ten years minimum also. I know you would like this, but have you or the Rees Mogg person thought it through at all. Unlikely, since nothing has emerged up to now after nearly three years. :rotfl:

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

Hotel EU is only asking us to pay for the room and services we've already committed to. If we don't want to use them before we leave that's not their problem.

So let me get this right: The UK is a big net user of the rest of the EU's 'facilities' and we contribute no real facilities in the form of personnel, infrastructure or services in return? How curious.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

movilogo wrote: »

Those options would be wrong as it could split leave vote between 1st and 2nd options. This will give unfair advantage to 3rd Remain option.

People already decided to leave. So if 2nd referendum happens, remain should not be an option at all.

Remain now hold a clear majority so the split is irrelevant...

Sky News Poll from today:

No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
May's deal 14%

melanzana

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Remain now hold a clear majority so the split is irrelevant...

Sky News Poll from today:

No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
May's deal 14%

No offence, but I would like to see a scientific poll from YouGov or some polling company with numbers of people polled on such a day and so on.

Not disputing Sky on this, but there is no back up information. Maybe they are just (like the rest of the media) softening their polarised stance and hoping such polls will help sway some voters into thinking it through at last.

Doesn't matter what works, the media is toxic in UK anyway. They watched what way the wind was blowing instead of trying to inform people with facts all along.

They now know it's game over really.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

melanzana wrote: »

No offence, but I would like to see a scientific poll from YouGov .

OK...

A 'scientific poll from YouGov' conducted yesterday...

Remain - 54%
Leave - 46%

Also in that same poll...

59% now want a 2nd referendum, rising to 64% if parliament block May's deal.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

But UK is the laughing stock of the world now. Cannot fight their way out of a paper bag.

Hardly Trump is a clown, Macron is polling less than Le Penne, Merkel's crown has all but evaporated, Abenomics has the potential to make the BoJ insolvent, Italy continues to defy Brussels .......

Brexit is just today's headline news.

melanzana

Honestly, if someone came along and said, Hey Melanzana, this is how a hard Brexit will work for everyone, I would listen and give it the time it deserves. I might even be swayed.

But there is nothing, absolutely nothing except stupid rhetoric about sovereignty and preserving our borders.

Well we have sovereignty already. Our borders can be protected if the FO got the finger out re EU migrants and kicked them out if they cannot support themselves, just like Belgium does. Yep, that bastion of EU rule.

And if anyone can solve the NI Border/GFA Agreement issue also, that would be good.

If the UK crashes out, the GFA, an International Agreement will have been reneged on by the UK. I wonder how solid FTA's would be based on that? I'd say negotiators would run a country mile away TBH. UK not to be trusted on such agreements, you get me?

There are so many factors in leaving or the agreement, that people are punch drunk with it all.

But all I want is a roadmap for Hard Brexit. Not happening, only dramatics and foot stamping and bullying. All talk and no substance. Says it all for me anyway.

melanzana

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Hardly Trump is a clown, Macron is polling less than Le Penne, Merkel's crown has all but evaporated, Abenomics has the potential to make the BoJ insolvent, Italy continues to defy Brussels .......

Brexit is just today's headline news.

But Trump and Putin actually WANT the UK to leave the EU.

Pincer movement you see and trade deals with chlorinated chicken and a US/UK army, and you obviously know Putin cannot wait to see the end of the EU.

Italy will never leave the EU. In fairness they were stuck with lots of illegal migrants on the boats, but they sorted that out. I know there is more to it than that, but I don't want to write a book either!

There is no country/entity that is perfect, but after 11/11 this year, I thought to myself, hopefully never again, better to be inside the tent now in these troubled times. There is safety in numbers. An isolated island like Britain can be picked off quite quickly by Trump and Putin. Why does no one see this?

Honestly the world has gone totally mad

Thrugelmir

giocoforzauno wrote: »

Should the referendum be done in your opinion or not?

No. As Sturgeon will immediately reignite the Scottish issue. Solves nothing.

melanzana

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

OK...

A 'scientific poll from YouGov' conducted yesterday...

Remain - 54%
Leave - 46%

Also in that same poll...

59% now want a 2nd referendum, rising to 64% if parliament block May's deal.

Thanks for that. I was not criticising you at all, you have now given me the figures.

Very interesting. I wonder if the Remain figures will increase after today, and a softening media? Those looking for another referendum is surprising, but probably not when I think about it.