Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Joan_Mac

andrewf75 wrote: »

I agreed with herzlos on this, that doesn't mean I always do or that I am biased. I disagreed with your post, nothing to do with the analogy. Obviously as a remainer I will agree more often with remainers, but as I said before I agree with many of the leavers here as well. Bet you've never agreed with a remainer. Thats the difference between me and you. I'm trying to find common ground and am genuinely interested in the debate respecting both sides, you just want to points score against the other side.

Read post number 3673 in this very thread, agreeing with Gfplux who is certainly not a Brexiter. Now are you going to apologize to them?

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What difference would it have made. There would still be fundamental differences of opinion. The UK cannot dictate to Brussels. Nor Brussels to the UK. Stalemate is stalemate. All parties walk away.

Sounds great, but there isn't a majority in Parliament for No Deal and not much sign at present that there is a majority in the country for it either.

If nothing else I suppose it would kill off UKIP and the ERG brand of politics once the outcome of a genuine "No Deal" became apparent. Mind you it would probably leave us with a Corbyn government, so not all good on the domestic political front either.

BucksLady

The whole situation has become farcical and it's like watching 'The Muppet Show'.

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

Mind you it would probably leave us with a Corbyn government

Corbyn leads a divided party. Doesn't take us any further forward.

Watch the £ sink.........

A_Pandiculation

BucksLady wrote: »

The whole situation has become farcical and it's like watching 'The Muppet Show'.

This thread or Brexit in general?

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What difference would it have made. There would still be fundamental differences of opinion. The UK cannot dictate to Brussels. Nor Brussels to the UK. Stalemate is stalemate. All parties walk away.

If she hadn't bungled the GE she would have a majority and wouldn't need to keep the DUP sweet. That would then free her up to treat NI as a special case and solve the Eire border issue.
Having a majority also means she's under less pressure from the euro-sceptic rebels to do something stupid.

So winning the GE with a majority would have made her job hard rather than impossible

giocoforzauno

For people who voted for Brexit.
In case of Hard Brexit (no agreement reachable between GB and UE) do you think Government should open a new "Referendum" ?
"Hard Brexit yes or no". If vote NO you vote to stay in UE (because a Soft Brexit will be impossible).

Should the referendum be done in your opinion or not?

LHW99

Sounds great, but there isn't a majority in Parliament for No Deal and not much sign at present that there is a majority in the country for it either.

The problem as I see it is that if this deal is thrown out, there is no time to get another, and the EU is unlikely to be prepared to discuss one anyway. Which means No Deal happens, whether there is a majority in Parliament or not. IF Article 50 can be unilaterally revoked, that may be an alternative, but if Theresa May is pushed out, there might not be time to do it, and I see no way the country would be united in support of such an action in any case, which could cause a whole rash of other issues down the line.

melanzana

Such drama and theatrics because a strange cabal of 80 or so ERG (Hard Brexit Tories) are calling the shots (or think they are).

I am very sure they have the fate and quality of life of everyone in the UK within their thinking.

There has been absolutely NO counter plan offered by either the ERG or Brexit leaning Tories, or by Labour. We live in strange times when the opposition is just as bad as some in Government.

It is just a drama fest now. I am totally disgusted at their bullying of TM with no counter argument or plan that would be better.

But UK is the laughing stock of the world now. Cannot fight their way out of a paper bag.

Wenlock

melanzana wrote: »

Such drama and theatrics because a strange cabal of 80 or so ERG (Hard Brexit Tories) are calling the shots (or think they are).

I am very sure they have the fate and quality of life of everyone in the UK within their thinking.

There has been absolutely NO counter plan offered by either the ERG or Brexit leaning Tories, or by Labour. We live in strange times when the opposition is just as bad as some in Government.

It is just a drama fest now. I am totally disgusted at their bullying of TM with no counter argument or plan that would be better.

But UK is the laughing stock of the world now. Cannot fight their way out of a paper bag.

To be fair Rees-Mogg and others have suggested that the new PM should advise the EU that we cannot accept this deal. Offer cash for a short (1 year?) transition period with a commitment to moving to either a “managed” WTO exit or a Canada style FTA on that date. Advise that the alternative would be WTO at March 2019 with no cash.

I would be delighted with that outcome.