Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

StevieJ

Matt_L wrote: »

I see, so to sum up..

The country votes in record numbers to leave the EU, (SM, CU)
The Tory Government make explicitly clear in their manifesto that we shall leave the EU, (SM, CU)

A group of Tories and Labour ministers insist that this mandate is carried out only to be called extremists and bullies....

You must really hate democracy....

Maybe they love it so much that they want to see more of it, like a new referendum :-)

buglawton

Apodemus wrote: »

Last night I sat down and read the withdrawal agreement. At 584 pages it took a while, and I must confess there were some parts I skimmed through. But if you are used to reading EU regulations you recognise the bits to concentrate on.

Listening to the press, the debate in Parliament and the public comments in various places, I begin to wonder if anyone else has actually read and understood it?

It is a very credible and technocratic solution to the current crisis. It provides the certainty needed to get through the next stage in the separation. There are some key elements introduced that (if taken forward positively) could lead on to the development of a new form of relationship between the EU and UK. The fact that there has been little or no mention in Parliament or the Press of any of this makes me despair for the quality of debate and the lack of interest in the real issues at hand.

The parts may seem plausible but it's the sum of the parts that matters.
Reading in the DT today

No nation would normally accept such terms unless small, bankrupt, or first defeated in war.

Lornapink

Just a reminder I placed my first ever bet about a year ago on Penny Mordaunt becoming PM. Looking more likely going by tonight's reports.

Apodemus

buglawton wrote: »

The parts may seem plausible but it's the sum of the parts that matters.
Reading in the DT today

I can understand the position of those who want a hard Brexit and won’t vote for the agreement for fear of a softer version - and the DT has been consistent in taking this line.

What I find more difficult is the position of the large proportion of the Labour Party (and indeed the SNP) who know that this agreement is pretty close to what they, themselves, would have negotiated, yet will probably vote against it for narrower political reasons. It’s time for them to step up and show that they can put Country ahead of Party.

Herzlos

The deal on the table is the absolute best we can make out of our Brexit with red lines, no doubt about it.


Would Labour have been forced to agree to similar? Sure

Would the SNP? Nah, they'd have remained or gone for EEA - they actively want to be part of the EU (as do a Scottish Majority, before you claim they are undemocratic).

Enterprise_1701C

Lornapink wrote: »

Just a reminder I placed my first ever bet about a year ago on Penny Mordaunt becoming PM. Looking more likely going by tonight's reports.

If there is a vote of no confidence and a leadership challenge I would be quite pleased to see Penny in the seat, I've met her, she is a nice lady with fire in her belly and highly intelligent.

At least May would do the honourable thing and have a contest, unlike another person who shall remain nameless.

mayonnaise

Lornapink wrote: »

Just a reminder I placed my first ever bet about a year ago on Penny Mordaunt becoming PM. Looking more likely going by tonight's reports.

If this is a reminder, can you point us to your original post from about a year ago when you placed that bet?

movilogo

Did TM present a bad deal intentionally so that support for remaining in EU grows?

Her deal is nothing but staying in EU via back door.

A_Pandiculation

According to Laura Keunssberg Michael Gove has rejected the offer of being Brexit Secretary. And the FT & Sky News are reporting that government whips have been told to cancel appointments for today because a no confidence vote in the PM is now likely.
Interesting times ahead.

mayonnaise wrote: »

If this is a reminder, can you point us to your original post from about a year ago when you placed that bet?

Picky picky picky. Did Lornapink say it was a reminder to you or us, or say it had been posted here? I read it as a prescient thought but obviously some feel it important to try and discredit everything that those they disagree with posts - or indeed don't post. Is there really such a desperation by some to try and decry Brexit?

Herzlos

Presumably since it's being claimed on here, there was a previous comment on it from at least a year ago, or it'd be some pretty pointless bragging.