Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

Lungboy wrote: »

If it comes down to a choice between No Deal and Farage I reckon they'd choose Farage.

I think so too - Farage is a smug git but he rarely turns up to annoy anyone.


I suspect they'll reject an extension to put pressure on us to choose and option, and to avoid any complications of us spilling over into another budget terms. We've not made any progress in 2.5 years, what good will another year or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 do?

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

I think that Schengen is an excellent idea.
Jiuning the Euro at the right rate would be a good move
A European army sounds a better and better idea with Trump in the Whitehouse rocking the NATO boat.

I would say the majority for leave would be much higher if we had to accept those. I voted remain and but would vote leave joining Euro and losing control of our own monetary policy would be very bad for UK.

kabayiri

ukcarper wrote: »

I would say the majority for leave would be much higher if we had to accept those. I voted remain and but would vote leave joining Euro and losing control of our own monetary policy would be very bad for UK.

gfplux does I believe live in a place where the things he mentions are commonplace.

That's a key point. You can indeed still go and live somewhere close by which has Schengen and the Euro if you desire.

If you don't like those things, there is always here

Moby

gfplux wrote: »

I think that Schengen is an excellent idea.
Jiuning the Euro at the right rate would be a good move
A European army sounds a better and better idea with Trump in the Whitehouse rocking the NATO boat.

Agreed such things would give the UK a stability it looks as if it will sadly lack in the coming years judging by not least this unearthed twitter feed:-


https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1061554026284834817


It looks as if the EU is also forcing us to to permanently comply with their standards on social, environmental and Labour legislation as well:-


Brussels is also demanding that the UK sign up to “dynamic” alignment with future environmental, social and labour regulations, which would in effect force parliament to cut and paste EU diktats into British law.

cogito

Moby wrote: »

Agreed such things would give the UK a stability it looks as if it will sadly lack in the coming years judging by not least this unearthed twitter feed:-


https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1061554026284834817


It looks as if the EU is also forcing us to to permanently comply with their standards on social, environmental and Labour legislation as well:-


Brussels is also demanding that the UK sign up to “dynamic” alignment with future environmental, social and labour regulations, which would in effect force parliament to cut and paste EU diktats into British law.

You've just given several excellent reasons why we should leave the EU.

Moby

cogito wrote: »

You've just given several excellent reasons why we should leave the EU.

In what way exactly? Brexit supporters still can't articulate a clear vision for a post Brexit Britain.They hate the EU. But they still don't really know why. They hate that they banned certain vaccums and have rules on bananas and want an EU army and assume we all agree with them that these are negatives. We don't!


They also don't really pay any attention to the positive EU rules around holding multinational companies to account and stopping mobile phone companies from daylight robbery with roaming charges, social, employment and environmental legislation, security co-operation etc.
They may hate immigration, but ignore the fact that it was the UK New Labour government who unilaterally decided to not have controls when Poland etc joined the EU and that the bulk of our immigration is from outside of the EU.
All of this hatred is tied up with a confusion around national identity. A weird longing for a "better" past that nobody alive can really remember and almost certainly didn't exist. At least not for ordinary people. Take back control, strike our own trade deals. How will any of this improve our lives? None of you can tell us!

Carl31

ukcarper wrote: »

I would say the majority for leave would be much higher if we had to accept those. I voted remain and but would vote leave joining Euro and losing control of our own monetary policy would be very bad for UK.

so was your remain vote based on the thought that things would stay as is, ie not have those items? or voted in the hope they would be introduced?

I always assumed the remain vote was to keep things as they were, i didnt realise there were some voting to be more aligned to the EU

ukcarper

Carl31 wrote: »

so was your remain vote based on the thought that things would stay as is, ie not have those items? or voted in the hope they would be introduced?

I always assumed the remain vote was to keep things as they were, i didnt realise there were some voting to be more aligned to the EU

Yes I voted on how things were at time, I don't think I was the only remain voter that thought accepting Euro would be bad for U.K.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

You've just given several excellent reasons why we should leave the EU.

Or, depending on your bias, several good reasons to stay in the EU.


In any case, if we want to keep trading with the EU (spoiler: we do), then we're going to have to comply with almost all of those regulations even though we'll have no say in them. Excellent, isn't it?

movilogo

we're going to have to comply with almost all of those regulations even though we'll have no say in them.

As if we had a say till now! Why didn't we ask for Freedom of Movement to be stopped (the main force behind Brexit)?