Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Cakeguts

Many of these so called "graduates" today have easy degree in nothing. The older votes who did vocational qualifications had those qualifications in something. They are the better educated not the young. So a large number of the young who would have voted Remain if they could have been bothered with degrees in nothing were actually less well educated than the older people who voted Leave. The degree thing is a red herring it means nothing because degrees these days are mostly the standard of 5 old O levels and lots of the older generation were educated well beyond that because they took O levels at age 16.


The students taking 7 or 8 A levels now and getting all A*s are the same level of intelligence as the people of my age who got 3 As at A level. People in general have not got more intelligent.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

That's explained by age as most of the older voters don't have a degree never having the opportunity to go university.

Indeed it is. My point was in response to Remainers not understanding how university works, which was an odd claim because they should be more likely to understand it due to exposure. Nothing else, we don't need to go over the education vs intelligence thing again.

Herzlos

wintersunshine wrote: »

Remainer MPs never talk about housing. EVER.

Do they speak about housing less than leavers? In a "We need to build enough" way rather than a "immigrants are taking them all" way?

And I hate Tony Blair. If he thinks it a good idea to stay in the EU that probably means it's only good for the rich bankers.

How do you feel about Jacob Reese-Mogg, Boris Johnson, Aaron Banks and their motivations for Brexit? Purely out of concern for normal people or self interest?

Tony Blair is a slimy individual who I wouldn't trust with the time of day, but (imho) those guys are in another league.

Herzlos

1 in 5 leavers polled by currency company would change vote because of holiday costs, half concerned about increased costs of going on holiday:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/travel/news/brits-admit-regretting-brexit-vote-13577652

Who'd have thought leaving the EU would make it more expensive to go to Europe?

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

1 in 5 leavers polled by currency company would change vote because of holiday costs, half concerned about increased costs of going on holiday:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/travel/news/brits-admit-regretting-brexit-vote-13577652

Who'd have thought leaving the EU would make it more expensive to go to Europe?

There is no mention of numbers polled in that article, and it actually appears to be an advertising vehicle.

kabayiri

wintersunshine wrote: »

I voted Remain but would vote Leave next time if nobody comes up with a concrete plan to build more houses . I think that might be true for all 4 people in my family.

Remainer MPs never talk about housing. EVER.
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To borrow a phrase usually applied to Brexiter "Gammons" :

- not all Remainers are Open Borders fans, but pretty much all Open borders fans are Remainers.

Well, solid EU-phile Macron himself, freely talks about 140m+ increase in people in EU land from Africa by 2050.

I daresay the Open Borders fans would be quite happy for tens of millions of those newcomers to trudge straight into welcoming UK.

Let's think about where we would get the housing from, to accommodate 10/20/30 million more. Well, we just won't. Expect housing standards to drop like a stone in some places.

A sustainable community is a potentially stable community. We are heading from unsustainable to unstable to chaos.

Carl31

Herzlos wrote: »

1 in 5 leavers polled by currency company would change vote because of holiday costs, half concerned about increased costs of going on holiday:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/travel/news/brits-admit-regretting-brexit-vote-13577652

Who'd have thought leaving the EU would make it more expensive to go to Europe?

According to ONS

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/leisureandtourism/articles/traveltrends/2016

Brits spend £44 Billion on trips abroad.Even if a quarter of that goes to Europe, Thats a lot of money for the Greek and Spanish economies to be missing out on

Edit: in fact, on the next page

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/leisureandtourism/articles/traveltrends/2015-05-20

It says 20.4% of British travel is to Spain, which accounts for £9 Billion of the above amount alone

Herzlos

Absolutely; Brits spend a lot of money in Europe, especially in absolute terms. £9,000,000,000 is a really big number.


However that £9bn is about 0.8% of the Spanish economy. If British tourists stopped visiting Spain entirely (because they can no longer afford to, or as some moral stand) then Spain would keep trundling along quite happily on the whole. Some people who are relying on British tourism in Spain (which will be a disproportionately high number of British ex-pats) will really struggle, but the country won't.


It's certainly not enough of a threat to Spain for them to force the other EU26 to give us a super special deal.

kabayiri wrote: »

I daresay the Open Borders fans would be quite happy for tens of millions of those newcomers to trudge straight into welcoming UK.

If they integrate and contribute, sure, the more the merrier.

Let's think about where we would get the housing from, to accommodate 10/20/30 million more. Well, we just won't. Expect housing standards to drop like a stone in some places.

Provided they don't all arrive at once and we're prepared to invest in the infrastructure we could accommodate 10/20/30 million net contributors easily. Over another 32 years? I'm sure we could manage.
It's a political problem, not a logistical problem.



I doubt the South East would handle 5m people moving from Scotland to Essex overnight either, so I don't see the source destination of these people as being particularly relevant.

lisyloo

Many of the old voters have been to technical collegs and the like so they are educated to what is now called degree level.

hmm...
My mum born 1945 (which makes her 73) never had the opportunity to go to uni because it wasn't even considered an option due to her gender.


Our older relatives born late 20s left school at 14.


So depends exactly how old you are going but no didn't get the education you mentioned.


As an aside my mum voted despite being in intensive care at the time (I'd call that making an effort).

Enterprise_1701C

Round here immigrants from anywhere tend to all move to the same area, they do not integrate, a lot of them do not bother to even learn English.

When Poles came here before that idiot Blair opened the back door to them and it took a bit of effort, they actually seemed like nice people and learned English before they came, and they integrated.

Now we get a lot of Eastern Europeans, they live in their own little community, they do not bother learning English, therefore demanding an interpreter at places like doctors surgeries and hospitals, thereby costing us even more. And if they do not learn English how are they even finding work? They surely can't be all finding work at the same factory etc, so if they are not working they cannot be contributing to the economy.

And where are you going to build say 5 million houses? Even if they were flats that is a lot of building. Concrete over the land and you create floods, chop down trees and you lower the amount of oxygen available to the people. And if you think we have water shortages now, try adding an extra 30 million people to our current 60 million, water would permanently be rationed. We cannot create more water, unless we set up desalination plants, would the incoming immigrants be willing to pay for that? I very much doubt it.

I think we are currently over capacity, we have too many people after too few natural resources.