Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

kabayiri

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

We do make 2% contribution. Unlike France among others.

As for function creep for the EU army, it has already crept massively since before the referendum it was not going to happen according to remain.

I don't recall Team Remain inviting Juncker & Pals onto a podium, and then asking these guests "Okay, lads, where do you see the EU in 10 / 20 / 30 years time?". Not much honesty or transparency there!

However, George Osborne could tell every household they would be £3,200 worse off by 2030 (or whatever amount it was), but he wasn't bold enough to tell us all how much *each* family would be better off by 2030 if we Remained.

If the Remain campaign weren't so sh*te, they might even have won. :rotfl:

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

I don't recall Team Remain inviting Juncker & Pals onto a podium, and then asking these guests "Okay, lads, where do you see the EU in 10 / 20 / 30 years time?". Not much honesty or transparency there!

Again, they didnt have to; the status quo included the ability to be part of those discussions and to shape the decisions. It also left the opportunity for us to leave if something happened we really didn't like.

However, George Osborne could tell every household they would be £3,200 worse off by 2030 (or whatever amount it was), but he wasn't bold enough to tell us all how much *each* family would be better off by 2030 if we Remained.

He likely wasn't wrong; the forecasts have us as being worse off.

If the Remain campaign weren't so sh*te, they might even have won. :rotfl:

I agree to an extent; the campaign was garbage, and I'm sure a well run one would have swayed it. It's hard to compete with all the lies and an opponent promising everyone unicorns.

Lungboy

It's sounding less and less likely that we're getting a deal this month which means it's unlikely we'll have time to get a deal at all. Extension of Brexit day or No Deal departure?

Enterprise_1701C

kabayiri wrote: »

I don't recall Team Remain inviting Juncker & Pals onto a podium, and then asking these guests "Okay, lads, where do you see the EU in 10 / 20 / 30 years time?". Not much honesty or transparency there!

However, George Osborne could tell every household they would be £3,200 worse off by 2030 (or whatever amount it was), but he wasn't bold enough to tell us all how much *each* family would be better off by 2030 if we Remained.

If the Remain campaign weren't so sh*te, they might even have won. :rotfl:

They actively tried to keep the army plans secret. That is at least deception.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/26/plans-to-create-an-eu-army-kept-secret-from-voters/

https://www.cer.eu/insights/eu-army-four-reasons-it-will-not-happen

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Lungboy wrote: »

Extension of Brexit day or No Deal departure?

Extension of Brexit day would require the unanimous agreement of all 27 EU member states. That does not seem likely.

Lungboy

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Extension of Brexit day would require the unanimous agreement of all 27 EU member states. That does not seem likely.

It would, and an amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill, but I think they'd prefer that than No Deal.

Herzlos

Doesn't that spill over into the next EU budget period? If that's the case, expect us to be in and contributing until that period is finished too. I don't think it'll extend.

gfplux

Lungboy wrote: »

It's sounding less and less likely that we're getting a deal this month which means it's unlikely we'll have time to get a deal at all. Extension of Brexit day or No Deal departure?

Extension of A50 has many complications not least of which the EU (MEPs) Election in May 2019 is a very big problem.

The Guardian 22July 2018
Officials in the parliament have taken legal advice, which suggests that extending article 50 beyond the next European elections in May would not only give 73 British MEPs a right to sit in the chamber until the UK leaves but for the full five-year term.
A source in the parliament said: “This has been repeatedly discussed. It would be the perfect opportunity for Ukip to rebuild, which is what no one wants. After all, Guy Verhofstadt [the parliament’s Brexit coordinator] has said before that the only good thing about Brexit is that Nigel Farage won’t be coming to Brussels again. The parliament won’t want them back again”.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

You know, we keep asking remainers the very same questions. What kind of remain were they voting for? One in which the UK is eventually compelled to adopt Schengen, the euro, join the EU army ( the one that Clegg and his ilk dismissed as fantasy but Macron wants), etc. Why do these questions never get answered?

I think that Schengen is an excellent idea.
Jiuning the Euro at the right rate would be a good move
A European army sounds a better and better idea with Trump in the Whitehouse rocking the NATO boat.

Lungboy

If it comes down to a choice between No Deal and Farage I reckon they'd choose Farage.