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Brexit the economy and house prices part 6
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Unlike so many here TBH I'm not concerned about anything to do with a final Brexit deal until it is just that; final.
There have already been far too many lies and half-truths to believe anything reported by media as being supposedly factual when it is not.
To suggest that Corbyn knew something last February when nothing has yet been signed is frankly ridiculous.
He "knew" nothing.
Now if you had said "suspected" you might have been on a steadier footing but again I must point out that no deal has been agreed.
When it has and the contents are known you might like to try again.
I note the typical socialists response of denial re: Venezuela.
It won't wash.
It is real.
Given the original withdrawal deal was published months ago. Remember with red, green and blue highlighters. What in the withdrawal/transition agreement is going to surprise you.
Oh, a convoluted Irish border can kicked down the road?
If a withdrawal/transition deal is signed there will be no surprises in the document.
However you may be talking about the future relationship document that will be attached to the agreement but will not be legally binding I believe.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
Remain supporting journalist writes a load of irrelevant drivel for remain supporting newspaper. Shock. Horror.0 -
Ah, the terminally positive FT!:)
For an internationalist you seem rather concerned about the UK’s position in the world.
As regards the UK’s political and economic heft, the current position seems about right for the 5th or 6th biggest world economy. The last century for the U.K. was defined by its fall from grace as a pre eminent world power. Speaking personally if this century sees a further diminution in our influence then so be it.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
Yes, a lot of Britain's inefficiencies and social problems may stem from our politicians having an overblown idea of the UK's position in the world. Right-sizing our attitude may do us a 'world' of good
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I think it's mainly based on a caricature of Brexiters than anything of real substance, although the overall point that we're not a global superpower is correct. Do we really want to be? Does it matter?
The point about Ireland and the border is fine. But does the fact that Ireland has an unelected Frenchman doing negotiations over its border on its behalf show them to be a stronger nation with more influence? Personally I think the opposite.“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0 -
Remain supporting journalist writes a load of irrelevant drivel for remain supporting newspaper. Shock. Horror.
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_newdeal.html
Instead of continually bad mouthing views that don't agree with yours how about explaining why our fears are so misplaced?
Will May come back with a deal to live up to these statements? Can any one of you Brexiters answer the question about how much better things will be once we brexit? How will May's deal put us in a better place than we are in now?0 -
This is from the Vote Leave website, link in my post above..... and this formed part of their manifesto –Ah, the terminally positive FT!:)
For an internationalist you seem rather concerned about the UK’s position in the world.
As regards the UK’s political and economic heft, the current position seems about right for the 5th or 6th biggest world economy. The last century for the U.K. was defined by its fall from grace as a pre eminent world power. Speaking personally if this century sees a further diminution in our influence then so be it.
It also says:-“There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it.”Fourth, we will increase our international influence. We have never managed to exert much influence on the EU project. As the UK negotiator for our entry to the EEC put it, the Foreign Office strategy from the outset was to ‘swallow the lot and swallow it now’. This situation recently got even worse. The Lisbon Treaty created a structural Eurozone majority in the EU Council of Ministers such that Britain is routinely outvoted and has no veto on vital issues. We have even surrendered our one meagre surviving true red card, the ability to stop other states going ahead by themselves with things that will damage us. Every time a British Prime Minister has tried to oppose something they have failed. Even this dismal new deal has demanded the calling in of favours and handing out millions of pounds to other EU members via the European Commission.
This bureaucracy over which we have so little influence now supplants Britain in many global bodies. Many supposed ‘EU rules’ now actually transpose rules agreed in these global bodies where Britain has given away its representation to the EU. Our new deal will therefore also include Britain retaking our seats on all these bodies, such as the World Trade Organization. If Canada has adopted the same rules as Norway or Luxembourg over car safety glass, and can export windscreens to Britain or Ukraine, it is because the relevant standards have been agreed at a higher level than the EU. A leave vote means the opposite of isolation - it means regaining a voice in global bodies that will be increasingly important as the EU shrinks in importance.
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Fifth, we will use our freedom from EU law and our strengthened international voice to promote more effective and faster international cooperation often at a global level. European cooperation will continue in fields where it already exists such as air travel, sanitary controls, disease, and counter-terrorism.
The brexiteers were explicitly promising that the UK could have all the benefits of being in a Customs Union with none of the obligations.
Tromking I take this promise to mean our international voice will be louder and our influence greater once we leave the EU. I'm also saying that brexiter promise wasn't worth the time it took to type it. Prove me wrong!0 -
I think it's mainly based on a caricature of Brexiters than anything of real substance, although the overall point that we're not a global superpower is correct. Do we really want to be? Does it matter?
The whole "They need us more than we need them" rhetoric I haven't heard for a while is founded on the supposition that we're a big global player with associated influence.
We don't need to be a superpower, but it's base logic that the more influence we have, the more influence we can assert. Whether that's in getting good terms on trade deals or international politics.
The fact a vocal minority of brexiteers keep going on about the British Empire and winning the war seems to imply they think we've got much more influence than we do. We used to control quarter of the planet, now we'll barely even be able to have a say in our own regulations. That's going to be a bitter pill to swallow.0 -
Another nail in the coffin for the Brextremists vision of how Brexit should play out. Turns out many of the right wing lobbying 'think tanks' share the same building and coordinated their media efforts to attack the whistleblower who exposed illegal campaign spending. Seems likely they share the same dark money sources too...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/11/brexit-whistleblower-shahmir-sanni-taxpayers-alliance-concedes-it-launched-smearsThe rightwing pressure group the TaxPayers’ Alliance has conceded that it illegally sacked the whistleblower Shahmir Sanni for revealing unlawful overspending in the Brexit referendum campaign, in a case that could have a major impact on how lobbyists are described in the media.
In a development that lawyers have described as “almost unprecedented”, the group has also conceded that it illegally vilified Sanni on the BBC in coordination with a network of other “linked” organisations“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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