Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

kabayiri

phillw wrote: »

Which is great for us who have that right, but the children who are denied that because they aren't old enough before FOM will be denied that opportunity.
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Oh please. Two thirds of my nephews are exploring opportunities on different continents outside of the EU. Language has always played a big part for British people.

What is it with the inconsistency of EU-globalists? You celebrate the idea of no borders one minute, then fail to recognise that 6.5 BILLION people on the planet live and do business outside EU borders.

kabayiri

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Some EU citizens may arrive with a job, but the ones around here do not integrate and have no interest in learning English, they live in ghettos and work cash in hand, sending the vast majority of money "home", injecting very little into the economy. They are generally builders/plumbers.

There is a Romanian (she told me her nationality) woman, well, girl really who sells the Big Issue near us.
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The Work Program providers used to promote selling Big Issue as a career option. What a complete con and disgrace.

Just 6 hours allowed you to go down the Tax Credits route.

Organised gangs have moved in on the Big Issue business anyway.

I won't buy it anymore.

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

He puts it better than I ever could. AI is definitely not neutral. It changes everything.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/aug/24/homo-deus-by-yuval-noah-harari-review

Well, you need to read a book called "Sciences of the Artificial" by H Simon then.

It's a book that one of the UK's foremost AI scientists used to read regularly. I know, because I heard him quoting bits from it, so I asked him after the meeting.

I think our fellow contributor gfplux might know this text, if he has worked in AI planning.

I think AI itself is neutral, but it is being manipulated again for gain, just like it was back in the late 80s.

Enterprise_1701C

lisyloo wrote: »

Do you have a link.
The one I loked up said he'd be paid £3 million since becoming an MP
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6059413/What-Jeremy-Corbyns-net-worth.html


That is no what most of us would mean by worth

I know I read it somewhere, it might include his pension. This seems to be an American link https://knownetworth.com/jeremy-corbyn-net-worth/?page=45&per-page=15

Though I don't know why I bother, any link I put up is apparently from the wrong source

Oh, and he likes to give his aides large rises too https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7375724/jeremy-corbyn-hypocrite-inflation-busting-pay-rises-cronies/ and yet he paid his staff at conference minimum wage, and he also employed zero hours cleaners there. He is a hypocrite. Especially in his desire to bring down the rich, of course he wants all money to be equally distributed apart from his, sounds like the truly oppressive regimes you see around the world.

phillw wrote: »

Which is great for us who have that right, but the children who are denied that because they aren't old enough before FOM will be denied that opportunity.

The vote to leave was a betrayal of their future, but then it's what baby boomers keep doing.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/uk-only-getting-for-christmas-what-it-wanted-in-june-2016-tories-confirm-20181107179108



Which is roughly 3% of Reese Moggs, 6% of David Camerons & 150% of Theresa Mays.

I'm not sure what that illustrates.

They do not claim to be socialists whilst happily accepting a large salary and every pay rise going.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Which is great for us who have that right, but the children who are denied that because they aren't old enough before FOM will be denied that opportunity.

There's always been the ability to move and work abroad. Will be in the future. Total myth to suggest otherwise.

phillw

kabayiri wrote: »

Oh please. Two thirds of my nephews are exploring opportunities on different continents outside of the EU. Language has always played a big part for British people.

There is a huge difference between exploring possibilities and FOM. Your drama queen response doesn't fill that gap

kabayiri wrote: »

What is it with the inconsistency of EU-globalists? You celebrate the idea of no borders one minute, then fail to recognise that 6.5 BILLION people on the planet live and do business outside EU borders.

There is no inconsistency, your strawman misses the point. A small UK business can easily do business within the EU, while there are major barriers to doing business with people in rural india or china. Trading the ease of doing business within the EU against countries with a lot more global influence than we will have post brexit, is a foolish strategy.

It's not like the old days where we could kick them about and fool them to raise our prestige. When we stopped doing that we had to join the EEC to avoid bankruptcy, now we've rejected being part of that club because we're just too special. We'll be like the school bully at the school reunion that never amounted to anything

Our lack of trade with countries outside of the EU has more to do with lack of demand, other EU members don't have as much of a problem as we do.

kabayiri

phillw wrote: »

There is a huge difference between exploring possibilities and FOM. Your drama queen response doesn't fill that gap
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You're just talking tripe as usual.

FOM has been predominantly one way in flow, a fact you choose to ignore.

The EU-FOM thing has been in place a mere 2 decades. Brits have traded and worked around the world for hundreds of years.

If a country wants an individual (or their money) they will still recruit them in the future.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

There is no inconsistency, your strawman misses the point. A small UK business can easily do business within the EU, while there are major barriers to doing business with people in rural india or china. .

Care to clarify how much easier it is for an SME to find a market for products and services across much of Europe. Which initself is very rural. What type of business is the SME likely to be in as well. To warrant dealing with customers across Europe.

StevieJ

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I did point out that no-one was forcing her to do it, she could go home to her parents, but she is actually earning enough to send money home to them. She has no intention of spending money here, she actually intended to live off the state and send any money she could earn under the table home.

Have I got this correct? She came here to live off benefits but we didn't let her (or indeed were not obliged to). System seems to be working well.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Care to clarify how much easier it is for an SME to find a market for products and services across much of Europe. Which initself is very rural. What type of business is the SME likely to be in as well. To warrant dealing with customers across Europe.

The 'freedom' of a single market is pointless to a small enterprise if they do not feel they have the resources to access it.

Even Digby Jones complained about the barriers French companies put up, when it came to services business. He is someone with more clout than your typical SME.

I think the EU is stacked in favour of the globalists like Amazon and Facebook etc.