Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

And up pops Macron right on cue to say that the EU needs its own army.

I'm sure the US electorate will be pleased to hear that.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

The EU already has its own armed police militia and it's called EUGENDFOR. Read up on the Treaty of Velsen. It's powers are frightening in the wrong hands.

it sounds like an inter-country military police response force, controlled Hythe appropriate country and coordinated at EU level. That's not the EUs own private armed police.

And up pops Macron right on cue to say that the EU needs its own army.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-46108633

He's not wrong is he?

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

Co-operation has existed at nation state level in Western Europe since WW2 quite nicely. NATO has kept us united and safe and faced down the USSR threat, whereas the EEC/EU has given us wealth and economic security.
I don’t sense that a Federal Europe overseeing both our security and economic well-being is where the European peoples are at the moment.

AI, algorithms, global warming, mass movements of people will change everything. The idea or 'story' that you owe allegiance to a nation or state is gone amongst the younger generations. Age and education were the demographics of brexit:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

Ask a group of people what defines them as English and you'll have as many different answers as there are people. That clearly came as a shock to you from your comments in your original post. It's a mistake though to see these trends as doing down your own country. The concept of 'country' is changing, the demographics will see to that.

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

AI, algorithms, global warming, mass movements of people will change everything.
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Why the heck do you think AI is anything but neutral?

I'd be interested to know, specifics please.

What aspects do you refer to?

StevieJ

Drip,drip.

As British ministers fight among themselves over how to break the deadlock in negotiations, business isn’t waiting around for clarity. Tuesday saw a clutch of Brexit-related decisions to quit or scale-back investment in the U.K. In the most dramatic development, Bloomberg reported that a $240 billion-a-day short-term financing market is moving from London to Amsterdam, another blow to the City

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-07/u-k-s-may-set-to-put-brexit-plan-to-cabinet-despite-splits

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

Drip,drip.

Or just journalistic sensationalism perhaps.

As British ministers fight among themselves

Seems as if holding differing views and having forthright discussion is no longer permitted.

Thrugelmir

Another illustration of how united the EU is when National interest rules over the benefit of all. Fiscal union looks as remote as ever. .

A European Union plan to tax Google, Facebook and other internet firms risks failure after a handful of member states announced their opposition.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/06/eu-stumbles-in-plan-to-levy-3-digital-tax-on-major-firms

Arklight

Moby wrote: »

AI, algorithms, global warming, mass movements of people will change everything. The idea or 'story' that you owe allegiance to a nation or state is gone amongst the younger generations. Age and education were the demographics of brexit:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

Ask a group of people what defines them as English and you'll have as many different answers as there are people. That clearly came as a shock to you from your comments in your original post. It's a mistake though to see these trends as doing down your own country. The concept of 'country' is changing, the demographics will see to that.

This is an important fact a lot of older Brexiteers don't grasp. An eighteen year old today will have spent multiples more time with digital communities of "people like them" from all over the world, than they are likely to have with their own grandparents.

Young people just aren't very attached to the idea of national exceptionalism because nationhood makes up far less of their identity than before.

spadoosh

Moby wrote: »

AI, algorithms, global warming, mass movements of people will change everything. The idea or 'story' that you owe allegiance to a nation or state is gone amongst the younger generations. Age and education were the demographics of brexit:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

Ask a group of people what defines them as English and you'll have as many different answers as there are people. That clearly came as a shock to you from your comments in your original post. It's a mistake though to see these trends as doing down your own country. The concept of 'country' is changing, the demographics will see to that.

Always makes me laugh that. IM 30 got a degree and voted brexit, but then i just dont live in fantasy land.

So when the EU decide we need to accommodate more and more people and were like 'nah thanks mate, its pretty crowded here, but theres loads of room in France if you want to try them?' But then the french arent too keen on sharing that much. The french people i know (got a holiday home there so quite a few) are incredibly patriotic.

I dont owe allegiance to a nation. I owe allegiance to myself. My voice is bigger in a nation state than a super state.

Youre a dreamer if you think the concept of country is changing. Apathy doesnt make changes.

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

Why the heck do you think AI is anything but neutral?

I'd be interested to know, specifics please.

What aspects do you refer to?

He puts it better than I ever could. AI is definitely not neutral. It changes everything.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/aug/24/homo-deus-by-yuval-noah-harari-review