Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Tromking

kabayiri wrote: »

The liberal consensus is an attractive front on globalism, that's all really.

The rise of the right is a counter response, and it all centres on the importance of national identity.

The globalists will argue that you have no allegiance to nation state. It's only a stepping stone from there to domination by truly global corporations.

I don't want corporations which have no understanding or interest in local affairs. I've seen how easily they can move thousands of jobs in a mundane teleconf meeting. They really don't care how regional needs differ.

I can only speak for myself and say how illuminating its been to witness how many of our number are internationalist in outlook and to be honest, vehemently anti-nation state also.
From the homegrown self-loathing Leftist to the terminally ungrateful migrant EU citizen, Brexit has certainly given vent to a latent anti-British feeling that I for one didn't think existed to the extent that it did.

CKhalvashi

Arklight wrote: »

Ironically, as by then 2/3 of the people who voted for this mess will be dead of old age and then we'll be rejoining.

Or is that the point of Brexit, a gift we don't want that we'll return after you've gone?

Thanks.

Brexit is like the many new socks at Christmas from elderly relatives, just a lot less useful

CKhalvashi

Tromking wrote: »

I can only speak for myself and say how illuminating its been to witness how many of our number are internationalist in outlook and to be honest, vehemently anti-nation state also.
From the homegrown self-loathing Leftist to the terminally ungrateful migrant EU citizen, Brexit has certainly given vent to a latent anti-British feeling that I for one didn't think existed to the extent that it did.

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I did feel much more comfortable when I wasn’t told to leave and fed a lot of abuse by Leave voters though for having an opinion. Some have been respectful and we have found some agreement, others have been rude, arrogant and threatening. This goes for the real world as well as these forums.

I am not anti-British, I am anti-stupidity. I am pro-Remain because I am pro-Britain. Looking at the full circumstances, I feel that Britain is making the wrong choice, and have taken my time to act as I see as being in Britain’s interest to attempt to get that choice looked at.

That is working for the country, not against it. Remember that.

wunferall

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Brexit is like the many new socks at Christmas from elderly relatives, just a lot less useful

You know remainers are getting really desperate when they start comparing Brexit to Christmas presents.
:rotfl:
Brexit is nothing like your example.
Really.
Brexit is an escape from multiple self-induced problems within the EU that will cause it great harm.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/brexit-sideshow-for-eu-beset-by-problems

The potency of the Italian problem is that it perfectly encapsulates the central, and potentially fatal, issue that the European Union member states and Brussels have repeatedly failed to grapple with in any meaningful sense, either from political cowardice or lack of will.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Brexit is like the many new socks at Christmas from elderly relatives, just a lot less useful

Perhaps that's the real issue. Too much focus on personally receiving something tangible. Rather than the real underlying reasons behind Brexit.

CKhalvashi

wunferall wrote: »

You know remainers are getting really desperate when they start comparing Brexit to Christmas presents.
:rotfl:
Brexit is nothing like your example.
Really.
Brexit is an escape from multiple self-induced problems within the EU that will cause it great harm.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/brexit-sideshow-for-eu-beset-by-problems

The fact you can’t take a joke is actually quite amusing.

Maybe we’d be better staying to help sort the mess you see out? The situation in Greece and Italy is nowhere near as dire in my experience as people are making out, neither is the migrant crisis, but some tweaking in the EU is needed, I can see that.

Good to see you prefer the Trump option of renouncing responsibility and walking away. That is an option that (also from experience) doesn’t get you far in life.

Enterprise_1701C

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The fact you can’t take a joke is actually quite amusing.

Maybe we’d be better staying to help sort the mess you see out? The situation in Greece and Italy is nowhere near as dire in my experience as people are making out, neither is the migrant crisis, but some tweaking in the EU is needed, I can see that.

Good to see you prefer the Trump option of renouncing responsibility and walking away. That is an option that (also from experience) doesn’t get you far in life.

It needs more than tweaking. It needs to lose it's federalist ambitions and go back to being the common market.

Ever closer union can only mean one end desire, and I for one am not ready to become a citizen of the united states of europe.

wunferall

CKhalvashi wrote: »

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I did feel much more comfortable when I wasn’t told to leave and fed a lot of abuse by Leave voters though for having an opinion. Some have been respectful and we have found some agreement, others have been rude, arrogant and threatening. This goes for the real world as well as these forums.

I am not anti-British, I am anti-stupidity. I am pro-Remain because I am pro-Britain. Looking at the full circumstances, I feel that Britain is making the wrong choice, and have taken my time to act as I see as being in Britain’s interest to attempt to get that choice looked at.

That is working for the country, not against it. Remember that.

But what you are saying there is that you have acted against the will of a democratically-decided vote in a democratic country.
That is not "working for the country" because what you are doing is not what the country has said it wants to do.
That then is disloyal.
So much so that in many less-democratic countries you would not still be at liberty to even have the opportunity to wrongly proclaim your loyalty.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that your personal opinion justifies attempt to subvert democracy.
There will be no modern-day Guy Fawkes and such attempts are probably equally doomed.

wunferall

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The fact you can’t take a joke is actually quite amusing.

A "joke" as amusing as your past claims of starting an airline or sum such similar humour you mean? How is that plan going?

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Maybe we’d be better staying to help sort the mess you see out? The situation in Greece and Italy is nowhere near as dire in my experience as people are making out, neither is the migrant crisis, but some tweaking in the EU is needed, I can see that.

We couldn't help in all the years we were "in" because of the combined boys club. I trust your experience not one iota compared to those with known and relevant knowledge and I know that Greece, Italy and migration are far bigger problems than you suggest.
Oh and "some tweaking" of the EU has to be one of the biggest understatements ever seen in this thread.

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Good to see you prefer the Trump option of renouncing responsibility and walking away. That is an option that (also from experience) doesn’t get you far in life.

First who says I prefer?
The country chose, so now you're blaming the whole UK again; some loyalty to your country on display there.
Not.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

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I did feel much more comfortable when I wasn’t told to leave and fed a lot of abuse by Leave voters though for having an opinion. Some have been respectful and we have found some agreement, others have been rude, arrogant and threatening. This goes for the real world as well as these forums.

I am not anti-British, I am anti-stupidity. I am pro-Remain because I am pro-Britain. Looking at the full circumstances, I feel that Britain is making the wrong choice, and have taken my time to act as I see as being in Britain’s interest to attempt to get that choice looked at.

That is working for the country, not against it. Remember that.

Being rude, arrogant and threatening has characterised both extremes of the leave and remain argument in my experience. You even in your reply felt the need to be rude and arrogant by describing the legitimate choice of some UK citizens to vote leave as an act of stupidity.