Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

ukcarper

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Probably because either way in interfering in a police investigation he knows he can appeal any guilty verdict with a reasonable chance of success as a result of the publicity.

It should not have been shown on TV until after any trial, as a regulator has found enough evidence of wrongdoing to warrant a police investigation and justice should be allowed to prevail if necessary.

Sovereignty of the courts and all that

Perhaps it shouldn't but as it seem plenty of remain supporters have found him guilty before the investigation let alone trial they should not have tried to make politically gain.

CKhalvashi

ukcarper wrote: »

Perhaps it shouldn't but as it seem plenty of remain supporters have found him guilty before the investigation let alone trial they should not have tried to make politically gain.

I haven’t made any judgement.

I am however very wary of anyone facing criminal investigations being given airtime regarding the allegations until any verdict has come in.

Of course he should be treated as not guilty until it is determined otherwise by a court and jury. This is how the law works.

My point was merely to state that if he is found guilty, the publicity surrounding the case may mean justice could be overturned, whereas if he is found not guilty or there is deemed to be no criminal case to answer, he can talk as much as he wants.

My opinion on his actions is completely irrelevant as I am not in full posession of the facts.

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

Access to trading & continuing a £60 billlion/year excess.
Access to the global banking, insurance and stocks leader.
Access to the majority of their fishing waters.
Access to .............. ah why bother; you'd just bluster on and deny it all as per.

Why you refuse to acknowledge what is widely accepted even by the EU themselves can only mean one of two things.

You're not being serious.

You're deliberately provoking others.


Which is it?

Trade and banking aren't cherry picking - we're choosing the terms it'll come on.
Fishing rights might be, if the EU was wanting to get fishing rights with nothing in return. All of those things will be decided as part of the future relationship which will be based on whatever existing relationship we want to emulate.

Cherry picking is wanting access to the bodies we want without contributing to them, or taking 3 of the 4 freedoms.

The EU will certainly benefit from a closer deal with us but I'm not convinced it's cherry picking in any conventional sense of the world.

But I'm sure this isn't the first or last time we'll have had this conversation, so I don't know what I'm expecting to happen.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

However as recently as 2011 the trade gap between Germany and Italy was closing, lead by the North, which I remember from my days at school was the richer part of the country.

Unfortunately the value of trade does little for the average person in terms of their personal wealth. In fact there's a total disconnect.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unfortunately the value of trade does little for the average person in terms of their personal wealth. In fact there's a total disconnect.

True, however on a smaller scale, many of the people I do business with are small service businesses that use the revenues from exporting to other EU countries to pay their staff, rent and bills. This has a natural value to the average employee of these businesses.

On a larger scale, trade is important for keeping people in work, as trade creates jobs. The average person may see no benefit but it is there. A job is better than no job in terms of wealth and health.

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

I can only speak for myself and say how illuminating its been to witness how many of our number are internationalist in outlook and to be honest, vehemently anti-nation state also.
From the homegrown self-loathing Leftist to the terminally ungrateful migrant EU citizen, Brexit has certainly given vent to a latent anti-British feeling that I for one didn't think existed to the extent that it did.

What on earth are you talking about.......'homegrown self-loathing Leftist'????
Is that you saying some of us that are from the UK are not patriotic enough?
Why on earth can't you just understand that patriotism is not important anymore to some of us. It's just the acceptable face of nativism and is a tired worn out idea based on the false story that you owe allegiance, affiliation etc to people who live within some arbitrarily drawn territory. Incidentally the boundaries of such territory are decided by decisions made by the rich elite. Those same rich powerful people sent people like you and me to die in their wars over such territories. We were the cannon fodder for the resolution of their disputes and will continue to be cannon fodder until the scales fall from the eyes of the naive.
It's not self loathing that drives me Tromking, I just don't buy that story anymore.

gfplux

I am getting the impression that Brexiters do not have a view on future trade deals both with the EU and the dozens of countries that are queuing up to negotiate. Are you all assuming it will go great for you and the area you live in?
There is this opportunity to renegotiate our trade deal with the EU.

Who do they think the Government should protect. What British Industry should be shielded or given a better opportunity.

Can I ask what industry you think should be supported and which let decline?
I am sure there are many industry’s in the U.K. that would benefit from some protectionism. Who are they? Can Brexiters name them?

If as a Brexiter have you discussed or lobbied your MP about an industry in your area. I am thinking not.
Huge trade deals are about to be negotiated particularly with the EU.
Surely with this opportunity facing Britain how or who is going to make the best of it.

Somewhere in Whitehall dozens if not hundreds of civil servants are working on this future, directed by their political masters. Brexiters are you talking to those politicians? It will all start on April 1st 2019

A_Pandiculation

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But you did that suggesting the contributor was an AE (I had to look that up) and earlier by suggesting they were stupid.

Moby

gfplux wrote: »

I am getting the impression that Brexiters do not have a view on future trade deals both with the EU and the dozens of countries that are queuing up to negotiate. Are you all assuming it will go great for you and the area you live in?
There is this opportunity to renegotiate our trade deal with the EU.

Who do they think the Government should protect. What British Industry should be shielded or given a better opportunity.

Can I ask what industry you think should be supported and which let decline?
I am sure there are many industry’s in the U.K. that would benefit from some protectionism. Who are they? Can Brexiters name them?

If as a Brexiter have you discussed or lobbied your MP about an industry in your area. I am thinking not.
Huge trade deals are about to be negotiated particularly with the EU.
Surely with this opportunity facing Britain how or who is going to make the best of it.

Somewhere in Whitehall dozens if not hundreds of civil servants are working on this future, directed by their political masters. Brexiters are you talking to those politicians? It will all start on April 1st 2019

I think you are expecting a tad too much mate. This is the level of their message:-

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

...
Why on earth can't you just understand that patriotism is not important anymore to some of us.
...

It's not patriotism. It's the core idea that your region; your locality; means something; that the purpose of work is to enrich the community in which you live.

Macron touched on the issues of future Africa-EU migration in a recent interview, apparently Afro-Europeans could rise from 9m to 150m by 2050; a mere 3 decades from now.

The might of Germany has struggled with an influx of just 1.5m newcomers. It certainly helped fuel the Brexit decision.

I can see 100 times this number ripping Europe apart once again.

Personally, I believe we need to find ways of people making a living in the place they herald from ... particularly Africa, otherwise we are in for decades of tension.